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Friday, September 12, 2008

Condemnation to Raja Petra's Arrest Under ISA

I would like to condemn the recent arrest of Raja Petra Raja Kamaruddin under the Draconian Act we all have come to know as ISA (Ikut Suka Aku). Despite havng major differences with Raja's Petra's stand on Islam, Malaysiawaves have chosen to engage Raja Petra by providing solid and irrefutable counter argument. Because ultimately it is the readers in the blogsphere that will decide who is right and who is wrong.

Using Draconian Acts like the ISA shows UMNO's desperation and lack of imagination when dealing with Raja Petra or the information revolution generated by the blog phenomenon.

To me, Raja Petra's arrest has nothing to do with his stand on Islam. The "Islamic excuse" is merely a smoke-screen because UMNO leaders have themselves commited acts known to be contradictory to Islam yet they have never been arrested under ISA for such acts.

Lastly, I call upon the entire government apparatus to release Raja Petra with utmost haste. Every minute he is under detention is a sin.

If Raja Petra is really guilty, charge him in open court. In fact, since this is a religous matter, please charge Raja Petra in the Shariah Court. Give him his right for due process. The government should never act as judge, jury and executioner.

Tulang Besi

29 comments:

Anonymous said...

Was UMNO so scared of RPK that they have to place him under ISA arrest? Or they have now collaborated with the murderers of Altantuya because more dirty linens have to be washed in Public that leave the Guilty C4 no choice despite his Swearing Circus & in order to silence RPK by placing him away safely is by using ISA to avoid more revelations of their crimes if he is taken to court under the sedition charges???

Come the new Dawn of Malaysia that Justice must now be done to those Guilty of Murder and Conspiracy.

Mag M said...

Indeed this is a very sad day for Malaysians. Our freedom of speech has been taken away from us by such draconian laws. Malaysians must stand up against this injustice. Everyone is entitled to justice.

Anonymous said...

Signs are everywhere. The ship is fast sinking..

Last few acts for desperados.

A further prove of UMNOs beyond salvation.

Yes, a new dawn's about to begin..
Stay united. Long live RPK!

Anonymous said...

rpk.are v.sad to those who are hypocrite...God is watching

Nik Aziz said...

the writer tulang besi must be one the happiest man alive with this latest development.

tb, no need to play acting with your hypocritical condemnation against the arrest. you can't hide it any longer. you are a natural hypocrite la Rahman.

Anonymous said...

too bad! i thought the liberals are suppose to be smart. but it seems that RPK is a good example that liberals are dumb. he got him self caught for no good reason.

padan muka.

Merah Hitam said...

Saya adalah isteri seorang tahanan ISA.Hidup kami sengsara disebabkan akta zalim ni.Nak tahu lebih lanjut, lawati blog ini.
http://wwwlailagmi.blogspot.com

Purple Haze said...

mag m said "everyone is entitled to justice".

I totally agree, despite one's political, religious or ethnic leanings, you are entitled to your day in court.

The ISA obviously is a travesty of basic human rights.

Anonymous said...

Nik Aziz said...

the writer tulang besi must be one the happiest man alive with this latest development.

tb, no need to play acting with your hypocritical condemnation against the arrest. you can't hide it any longer. you are a natural hypocrite la Rahman.
September 13, 2008 12:47 AM


We have differences in opinions. However, that should not stop us from upholding justice. If anyone is treated unjustly (including non-muslims), true muslims are obliged to fight and seek justice for them. RPK has been treated unjustly. So, everyone should stand up and say NO to the draconian ISA! Put our differences aside, at the moment, we have to bring down the UMNO regime first - the root of all problems in Malaysia.

Anonymous said...

To Tulang et al, who have been so vociferous in their condemnations of RPK for his recent essays:

If not ISA, what do feel is the appropriate punishment for Raja Petra for his supposed transgression?

Seriously.

Emmar

Judge Dredd said...

"To Tulang et al, who have been so vociferous in their condemnations of RPK for his recent essays:

If not ISA, what do feel is the appropriate punishment for Raja Petra for his supposed transgression?

Seriously.

Emmar"

Though tulang besi has been very vocal towards RPK latest essay he is not a judge who could punish anyone as he like. RPK should face the sharia court or any appropriate process according to rule of law (imho)
Do you think we should resort in physical retaliation when the other person is in disagreement with us on one issue?
DOnt be so naive..

Judge Dredd said...

im not sure whether 'nik aziz' is such a naive person or one who has hidden agenda behind his/her provocation.
But i will assume he/she is a naive person who does not understand well the meaning of free speech.
I have been upset with rpk's article regarding the tudung issue as well but ISA imposed on him is obviously a barbaric stance by the govt! We should stand by him on this issue no matter what

Jem Hall said...

The appropriate punishment would not be a punishment at all. TB was clearly objective on his cause - to let m2day publish his response so that others esp Muslims would not get caught with RPK's secular & anti-hadeeth ideologies. The rest of the story relies on readers' intellectual to evaluate both sides fair & square. But frankly RPK is nothing sort of a fair match for TB in terms of Islamic knowledge, or even a worthy opponent to engage in debates thus his reluctance to publish TB's responses on his website. So since RPK himself is a Muslim by name we always have Syariah courts, or for religious incitement we always have the civil courts.

Muslims has survived 1400 years against Munafiqin without ISA. So anyone who'd think that we need ISA to protect ISLAM's sanctity is certainly shallow minded.

kl_wong said...

Bee N, you do not stop us to achieve what we are taught to believe in.
We are not the problem!
We do not need to demo in the street as what you want us to do.
We do not need sword to fight, we just use our pen and brain.
WE LOVE OUR COUNTRY AND KING!

Ikrar Rukunegara adalah seperti berikut:

"Bahawasanya, Negara kita Malaysia mendukung cita-cita hendak:
Mencapai perpaduan yang lebih erat di kalangan seluruh masyarakatnya; memelihara satu cara hidup demokratik; mencipta satu masyarakat yang adil di mana kemakmuran negara akan dinikmati bersama secara adil dan saksama; menjamin satu cara yang liberal terhadap tradisi-tradisi kebudayaannya yang kaya dan berbagai corak; membina satu masyarakat progresif yang akan menggunakan sains dan teknologi moden.

Maka kami rakyat Malaysia berikrar akan menumpukan seluruh tenaga dan usaha kami untuk mencapai cita-cita tersebut berdasarkan atas prinsip-prinsip yang berikut:

Kepercayaan kepada Tuhan
Kesetiaan kepada Raja dan Negara
Keluhuran Perlembagaan
Kedaulatan Undang-Undang
Kesopanan dan Kesusilaan"

Daulat TUANKU!

Anonymous said...

people,PAS members,REFORMISTS r the ones suffered the most under ISA.RPK was in the ISA for only 52 days(for the 1st timelah),and I am willing to bet,he wont be under tahanan for long.What Tulang Besi said is correct.ISA is haram!!!And should be abolished!!!Gomen is desperate..otak macam Bart Simpson,dunno wat to do,gelisah,desperate,tangkaplah!!But depa dah lupa,rakyat tak kira kaum dan agama is in a very fierce mood...and this fierce determination is vissible everywhere..emak dukung anak dlm hujan utk dengar ceramah..apabila ditanya kenapa bawa anak?.."hahanak perlu tau mulai sekarang!!!"..Kesian gomen ni..they r digging their own graves..tunggu saja utk disembahyangkan..kahkahkah!!

nik aziz said...

judge dredd, i believe you are the one who are so naive or pretending to be dumb and take a close one eye on tulang besi stand.

tulang besi himself is suggesting this '..since this is a religous matter, please charge Raja Petra in the Shariah Court. Give him his right for due process.'

so he must stop lying and cut all the rhetorical crap about freedom speech and faith freedom in his (and maybe you too) interpretation of islam.

the fact is people like him can't even tolerate differing view in Islam. This is all due to their suppressed doubt and belief insecurity.

Anonymous said...

Salam TB/RC,

This is why I profess using the right "tone of engagement". Your provocative & confrontational tone in your articles against RPK views inevitably gave reasons for the BN/UMNO cyber-troopers to sideline you as a one of the forces behind the arrest or the very least as appeared in comments, you were percieved to be elated or extremely happy to see him arrested.

I know you have very good intention to uphold Islam but please be proper in your conduct.

Just doing my bit to remind you as I see what you may not see.

Thanks
TROUBADOUR

Nostradamus said...

The Courage to Build a New Malaysia.
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The year is 2008. This is the year most Malaysians finally woke up from a deep slumber. Most Malaysians were just too busy earning their living and building up their lives to take notice that times have changed and the idealism spouted by our founding Fathers have still not been accomplished for this country even today.

It was not so long ago in 1957 and then for our fellow East Malaysians in 1963 when the ideals and dreams preached by the late Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra Al-Haj (Bapa Kemerdekaan and Bapa Malaysia) for Malaysia were first announced and was greeted with joy in the hearts and minds of all Malaysians. The late Tunku Abdul Rahman had a dream and ideals, just like Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela and many others including the prophets over the history of mankind.

Many a times such dreams were hijacked and led astray under the guise of nationalistic, racist and religious idealism by so called politicians and self declared and appointed righteous and religious persons (Little Napoleons). Individuals who have risen to continue some of such idealisms are gagged, isolated, bankcrupted, blasphemied, rehabilitated or worst jailed, for it is deemed not in consonance with the dreams and idealism of the elected parties agendas.

Laws are legislated and passed at whim in Parliament to change the idealism of the Supreme Law of the Land (The Malaysian Constitution) and to cloak such party and individual agendas. It is true, Malaysia, conforms to the democratic process as practiced by most western countries in elections (even though tainted but unproven). But once given the trust to be elected as a leader or representative of the people, party and individual idealism overtook national idealism, and The Jeykll and Hyde personality emerged to be repeated over and over again at each and every election and by-election.

Malaysians have being led astray for so long, that what is right is blurred, what is wrong is tolerated, what is evil is condoned, what is fair is pouted as unfair, what is immoral becomes moral and corruption and close one eye need to become a part of our accepted daily lives. Jealousy, hatred, greed, racism, plundering and satanism starts to breed in Malaysian minds, and brothers, friends and fellow Malaysians were looked upon as enemies or as inferior human beings. Once a while, such nets were cast ashore to include anything to do with other countries or other races which do not belong to one's own race or religious beliefs.

The minds and souls of Malaysians are so polluted and poisoned for so many years that it seems that Malaysia is the only all correct country and we should rule the world by our way. Examples of countries which follows Malaysia or is it we following them are, such as North Korea, Zimbabwe and Israel. What justifications can you tell your own generations or future Malaysian generations that what you are doing to fellow mankind and more so to your own fellow Malaysians that it is righteous and correct, when, it is at the expense and sufferings of your own human kind and fellow Malaysians?

Can you say to them I did it to follow the orders and teachings of God or party political agendas? Who gave you such inspirations and idealism? Do not absolve your own wicked mind and greed nor take a ride on someone else wicked mind and greed. Do not pick and choose in the Books of God nor the man-made laws to justify or suit your own twisted and idealistic minds. You can fool others due to their ignorance or emotions at some time but you can't fool forever a man's conscience nor your own children or hopefully one day your own when such enlightenment comes to you.

The courage to change things which are not right in Malaysia nor achieve the ideals of the Founding Fathers is not impossible. Most Malaysians have woken up to the fact that the future is going to be determined by it's own citizens thru their own conscience guided by their own religious beliefs to live a harmonious and productive life of correctness and not the type of political, racial or religious correctness as preached.

Parties and their own agendas do not take priority over the Founding Fathers ideals and hopes of all Malaysians. Religion and principles are as a guide to your own conscience to make sure whoever is the leader do not lead Malaysians nor society astray.

For in the end, what is just and right should surely overule anything else for any leader or their party agendas.

Does your Representative of the People (Wakil Rakyat) or You! have the courage?

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Keberanian Membina sebuah Malaysia Baru.
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Kini ialah tahun 2008. Tahun inilah rakyat Malaysia terbangkit dari tidur yang nyenyak. Kebanyakan rakyat terlalu sibuk mencari nafkah dan membina hidup mereka untuk memperhatikan zaman telah berubah dan idealisma yang didukung oleh Bapa-bapa pengasas negara masih belum tercapai untuk negara sahingga hari ini.

Tidaklah lama dahulu pada tahun 1957 dan untuk seteman kita di Malaysia Timur pada tahun 1963, idealisma dan impian yang diucapkan oleh Allahyarham Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra Al-Haj (Bapa Kemerdekaaan dan Bapa Malaysia) untuk Malaysia diumumkan dan disambut dengan penuh kegembiraan didalam hati sanubari rakyatnya. Allahyarham Tunku Abdul Rahman mempunyai impian dan idealisma sama seperti Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela dan ramai lagi termasuk nabi-nabi sepanjang sejarah manusia.

Kerapkali impian-impian tersebut dirampas dan diselewengkan dibawah kepura-puraan nasionalisma, perkauman dan idealisma keagamaan oleh ahli-ahli politik dan orang-perseorangan yang memilih dan melantik sendiri sebagai jaguh kebenaran dan beriman (Little Napoleon). Individu yang membangkit meneruskan idealisma tersebut tidak dibenarkan bersuara, diasingkan, dibankrapkan, dicercakan, dipulihkan dan lebih teruknya dipenjarakan cuma kerana tidak mengikut aliran impian dan idealisma agenda-agenda parti terpilih.

Undang-undang digubal dan diluluskan sewenang-wenangnya di Parliamen untuk mengubah idealisma yang terkandung dalam Perlembagaan Malaysia dan menutup muslihat agenda parti dan individu. Memang betul diperkatakan Malaysia mengikut peraturan proses demokratik seperti yang dipraktiskan kebanyakan negara-negara barat semasa pilihan raya (walaupun tercemar tetapi tidak terbukti). Tetapi, selepas sahaja diberikan kepercayaan dan dipilh sebagai pemimpin atau wakil rakyat, idealisma persendirian dan parti mengantikan idealisma nasional dan personaliti Jeykll dan Hyde timbul kembali untuk diulangi pada setiap pilihan raya besar dan kecil.

Rakyat Malaysia telah dipimpin secara tersesat sekian lamanya sahingga apa yang benar dikaburkan, apa yang salah ditoleransikan, apa yang jahat ditutupkan, apa yang adil disebut sebagai tidak adil, apa yang tidak bermoral dijadikan bermoral dan korupsi dan tutup sebelah mata menjadi-jadi dan perlu diterima sebagai kehidupan harian kita. Iri hati, kebencian, ketamakan, perkauman, perampuk dan sifat setan mulai membiak di minda rakyat Malaysia dan sahabat, kawan dan rakyat Malaysia sejagat diperlihatkan sebagai musuh dan manusia tidak setanding. Sekali sekala, pemikiran seperti ini dilontarkan kepada negara asing yang tidak sebangsa dan seagama sendiri.

Minda dan jiwa rakyat Malaysia telah dicemari dan diracuni bertahun-tahun lamanya sahingga ternampak macam Malaysia sahaja yang paling betul dan kita harus memerintah dunia mengikut acuan kita. Contoh negara-negara yang mengikut Malaysia ataupun yang kita mengikut
mereka adalah seperti Korea Utara, Zimbabwe dan Israel. Apakah justifikasi yang boleh diberikan kepada generasi sendiri ataupun generasi rakyat Malaysia yang akan datang tentang apa yang kita buat kepada manusia sejagat terutama kepada rakyat Malaysia sejagat adalah betul dan adil padahal ia dibuat atas pengorbanan dan sengsaraan manusia sejagat iaitu rakyat Malaysia sendiri.

Bolehkah kita memperkatakan, saya melakukannya demi menurut perintah dan arahan Tuhan atau agenda politik parti? Siapakah yang memberikan kamu inspirasi dan idealisma tersebut? Jangan sekali-kali mengampuni minda dan ketamakan sendiri atau menumpang diatas minda dan ketamakan orang lain. Jangan memetik dan memilih dalam kitab-kitab Tuhan atau Undang-undang manusia untuk menjustifikasikan atau menyesuaikan mengikut idealisma dan kehendak minda kamu yang tersongsang. Kamu boleh menipu yang lain atas kejahilan atau emosi mereka pada masa tertentu tetapi tidak akan dapat menipu suara hati manusia atau anak sendiri dan barangkali suatu hari nanti diri sendiri apabila nur cahaya mendatangkan kepada kamu.

Keberanian mengubah yang tak betul di Malaysia untuk mencapai idealisma bapa-bapa pengasas negara tidak mustahil. Kebanyakan rakyat Malaysia telah membangkit dan sedar bahawa masa hadapan negara akan ditentukan oleh warganegara sendiri melalui suara hati mereka dengan panduan kepercayaan kepada agama masing-masing untuk hidup berharmoni dan produktif secara betul dan tidak mengikut acuan politik, perkauman atau keagamaan yang dikutbahkan.

Agenda parti dan persendirian tidak boleh diutamakan berbanding idealisma dan harapan bapa-bapa pengasas untuk semua rakyat Malaysia. Agama dan prinsip-prinsip adalah panduan kepada suara hati kamu untuk menentukan sesiapa yang menjadi pemimpin tidak mengsongsangkan rakyat Malaysia ataupun masyarakat.

Kerana pada akhirnya, apa yang adil dan benar tentu diutamakan oleh setiap pemimpin ataupun agenda parti masing-masing.

Adakah Wakil Rakyat kamu ataupun Kamu! mempunyai Keberanian?

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jem hall said...

nik, freedom of speech does not necessarily mean you are not bound from any responsibilities as result of your speech. It means you can talk, nobody will stop you while doing so, but if it cross any line then you'll be held responsible. Otherwise it will be kampong's barbaric freedom of speech, main cakap lepas tanpa ilmu & sensitivity, no consequences. I hope you don't confuse the two.

And since RPK himself is a muslim by name, TB is correct regarding the Syariah court. Muslims are not allowed to make false claims on his religion.

Nik Aziz said...

jem hall, you must be suffering from the same mental sickness like tulang besi - belief insecurity out of you own doing ie ignorance.

jem hall said...

nik,

Me feeling insecure about my beloved religion's sanctity? Well quite proud of that actually.

Rather than feeling insecure over having the last word no matter how stupid that makes you. Im sure you've never spoken in public yourself therefore your ignorance in the subject of freedom of speech. Keep hiding behind that wall.

Nik Aziz said...

well jem, if you're so proud and secure with what you believe in, you would never agree or to even think of dragging people of differing viewpoint( as in islam) than yours to court (syariah that is).

the way i look at it jem; there's nothing you can be prod of. all i see in people with such your stance are uncontrollable suppression of reasons and doubt. and it is just so sad jem. your action reflects that. and it is just too bad that you refuse to admit this fact.you can't hide from your own action la jem.

hiding behind the wall? kah,kah,kah...look who's talking.

Anonymous said...

Malaysians! Malaysians! Can you all please put aside your differences at this crucial moment. We need to be UNITED at this dark hour while our brothers and sisters are being detained.

Judge Dredd said...

mr nik while you suggested that we should allow different views in islam why rpk didnt publish TB's follow up article in malaysia today? If you object TB then you should do the same towards what RPK did to TB.

Anyway IMHO ISA should be abolished and I strongly oppose the detainment of RPK and Teresa Kok.

For freedom of speech and the unity of Malaysian

ta lads

Judge Dredd said...

"Malaysians! Malaysians! Can you all please put aside your differences at this crucial moment. We need to be UNITED at this dark hour while our brothers and sisters are being detained."

nik, salam...

Anonymous said...

@Judge Dredd and Jem Hall

Try reading my question again.

'What do you feel is the appropriate punishment' is an attempt to understand how a Shariah system would deal with this type of alleged transgression on RPK's (and potentially others') behalf.

From the comments posted within this blog, the transgressions might possibly include misrepresenting Islam, leading Muslims astray, and insulting Muslims.

Since you chose to reply, you should not weasel out of addressing the question. It is not enough to say that the Shariah courts will deal with it. I want to know concrete details of what type of punishments are prescribed and what you and others support as being the "rule of law".

Why? Because humans, when given political power over others, often act capriciously. I, and perhaps others, want to know in advance, the mindset of the leaders and supporters of this type of system BEFORE deciding whether or not to support or oppose it.

Finally, you (Judge Dredd) suggested that I was naive and asked: "Do you think we should resort in physical retaliation when the other person is in disagreement with us on one issue?"

Of all the ways to reply to this nonsense -- calling you PEKAK would probably be the mildest -- I would just ask that you refrain from writing just to make noise and take up browser space.

Emmar

jem hall said...

Emmar, I'm not sure why do you have such a cold and pessimist view on TB and some of us. ISA is unjust, unIslamic, unfair. Have we not shown our strong disagreement & civilised attitude in our comments or are you one of those people who deems others as being imperfect just because they disagree with your ideologies?

At times like these it's very convenient to pick & choose your black sheep, isnt it?

We're not the one who put him in the ISA, we're not even the one who lodge report to Syariah courts, instead we'd just be happy if RPK continues being bashed & exposed as he goes along writing more & more anti-Islam articles. Soon people would see his true color, the support will fade, then we'll move on. ISA or Syariah trials is just unnecessary as the resulting attentions will only lead more people reading his rubbish.

Frankly

Anonymous said...

@jem hall

My comments were entirely dispassionate and should be re-read as so.

If you are going to bother to reply, then please address the question rather than trying to characterize my position (which you would know little about anyway) in one way or the other.

It is not about one show trial to distract from other issues. The question is how to approach fundamental legal questions uniformly.

Emmar

Tulang Besi said...

dear all,

I detest the usage of ISA. It is unislamic and it is wrong.

We already have the Shariah courts and we can always use the Shariah court to charge RPK under.

If he is found guilty, then he will pay for his crime. That's all.

There is no need for ISA at all. Islam detest detention without trial.

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