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Wednesday, September 3, 2008

Proposed Solution to Concert Ban

As u all know, i am not a big fan of these decadent Western cultures. I am expecting twin girls in a few months and i certainly would not want them to grow up in a decadent and corrupted social culture we see in the West. I will sacrifice my life than to see my two daughters adopt the "feminists" culture of being OK with becoming a "free whores". Other people might call it the modern life but i view it as being a free whore. Anyone who wants my daughter will have to take them via a hand in marriage. Nothing else.

That is why many feminists hates me because I certainly do not subscribe to their social engineering agenda which in turn will result in my daughters turning into "free whores".


I also want to raise my girls so that they become pillars of the society and defenders of the truth. I do not want them to be agents of social re-engineering currently being espoused by certain quarters of our society. I want them to be mothers of their children and not grow up to having their children hate them for not giving their children proper attention. I will pay for their education but I will instill into them their main role in life, and that is to be mothers. Other comes second. Even careers. And no, the feminists notion that careers is the fulfilment of women's life is a downright lie. They need to promote this lie because they need to remain relevant. They need to convince people of their other lie, that women are being gender segregated and discriminated.

Avril Lagringe is the Promoter of Anti Family Values

Artiste like Avril and current crops of women artistes of the West lacks all talent to be even in the same category of more famous women singers like Whitney Houston, Donna Summers etc. These people rely on exposing their bodies and gyranting their figures to make up for their lack in talent and voice. In short they sing crappy songs and give crappy performances but people like them because they are willing to show 70% of their body to make up for their lack in talent.

That is why I support the banning of her concert. I do however recognized the rights of Non Muslims to attend and appreciate such events and I do want to respect their rights.

Propose Solution

Since my religous values cannot be imposed on non-muslims, i proposed that concerts involving decadent artistes like Avril Lagrange be banned only to Muslims only. The ban will be subjected to the Shariah enacments of various states and those transgressing will be subjected to due process via the Shariah courts.

Non Muslims, however, are free to attend such concerts since clearly their religion does not prohibits such practice. It doesn't feel right to impose such religous practice upon people that doesn't profess in the Islamic faith.

I believe this will solve many of the on going tensions currently felt by Malaysians over issues of this nature. I believe everyone will be happy with this arrangement.

Tulang Besi

57 comments:

Jed Yoong said...

Hi,

Some suggest that feminism was an eleborate, sinister conspiracy to willingly get women to work so that a large part of the workforce won't be stuck at home.

;)

Tulang Besi said...

hi jed yoong.

Some might suggest that, and some suggest that feminism is a deliberate attempt to lower birth rate in the developed world.

Less birth, less problem to deal with, less mouth to feed etc

Also,if u think about it, feminism started out with women pushing fro greater family values, until they got hijacked by the communists

tyu said...

OMG, since when did Avril Lavigne exposes 70% of her body, please send me the picture, I want to see it!

I think you guys are confusing her with Britney Spears. Avril may be a punk, but she covers herself up :). Her music is good too. Whitney is a drug addict, man.

tyu said...

Enjoy a song from Avril, my favorite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGXYAJoDWCk

She is just like the girl next door :). Enjoy the music and you tell me whether she is a "free whore".

mode de la shadow said...

one great obstacle to progression is negative narrow mindedness.

but i am certainly not a big fan of avril though.

Anonymous said...

What is Feminism? i think you should go and read more about feminism concepts, how can u can suggest that feminism can lead for the creation of 'whores'which a feminist strogly agaist it? Please dont manipulate the whole issue Tulang besi.

Anonymous said...

Ya,Avril is certainly not NMadonna or Britney..and oo,Donna Summer is the disco queen,and Whitney is/was a drug addict..even one of the greatest of them all Billy Holiday,was an addict...

Anonymous said...

Funny eh..artists that produced astonishing works were addicts..Coltrane,Hendrix,Robert Johnson,they were all geniusess,but were afflicted..where as all those squeeky clean artists like Pat Boone..produced yucky gooey sappy songs..Billy Holiday vs born again christian Anne Murray,who would u prefer?

Tulang Besi said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ya,Avril is certainly not NMadonna or Britney..and oo,Donna Summer is the disco queen,and Whitney is/was a drug addict..even one of the greatest of them all Billy Holiday,was an addict...

September 4, 2008 9:53 AM


MY REPLY: True, but current crop of artistes are addicts, morally decadent as well.

The only difference between then and now is that back then, the artistes actually have talents. Pure raw talent.

So, they were not bad and whatever problems they had, they kept it to themselves. U dont hear people becoming junkies because of emulating Billy Holiday do you?

Anonymous said...

Poets too suffer frm loose morals...Anwar's favourite poet T.S.Elliot was depressive..I am afraid moral laws/preacings/banning simply cannot contain/check mate human being urges,desires..

mode de la shadow said...

its just a kampung & malaysian culture thing lah~

no need to argue. malas. not that we never seen this. when ppl wanna irrational their excuse banyak. as usual.

chill la, not the first time we see this. am sure there will b more of these narrow-mindedness in other aspects of our malaysian lives.

ppl will gradually learn when they realised their narrow-mindedness is actually the factor which caused them to lose out alot eventually one day. just hope it isnt too late then.

mode de la shadow said...

oh yeah,

btw. avril lavinge doesnt rock that much. sexy? NOT EVEN THERE! btw, i am a big fan of garbage's vocalist shirly mansun. she rocks! lol

for u avrils fans reading this, check out the band garbage. i strongly recommend those early albums of theirs.

cheers ;D

Tulang Besi said...

Anonymous said...

What is Feminism? i think you should go and read more about feminism concepts, how can u can suggest that feminism can lead for the creation of 'whores'which a feminist strogly agaist it? Please dont manipulate the whole issue Tulang besi.

MY REPLY: Well, listening to interviews from feminist activists etc, i learned that feminists advocates women adopting the sexual habits of men in their pursuit to destroy differences between genders.

It's also the reason why feminists are so gung ho in supporting infanticide (aka abortion), contraceptives and also anal sex. In short, the sexual revolution is overwhelmingly embraced by feminists all over the world.

Not to mention, their total support for homosexuality.

Anonymous said...

true,some of our local artists simply imitate just to be "hip",but singers like Jamal Abdillah who is an addict,plus "kena tangkap basah" beberapa kali(lol!) is trully a passinate,n a great singer..Ito(Blues Gang),a pro reformists is a drug addict..but he is a passionate btw,the Che Guevaras,the Trotskys were commies..can they be accused of being enemy's of humanity?

Serious Shepherd said...

Is Avril sexy? Check her images here (WARNING: the images may reduce ur pahala puasa!). Is she a good example to our youth? Check here images here.

I would like to agree that "feminism is a deliberate attempt to lower birth rate in the developed world". A good example is our second largest community group (faham sendirilah) which has a reduced birth rate but complaints when their liberal way of life is slowly being eroded. Another good example is the Muslim population of Australia vs the white population that runs its pride march annually.

I do however, not totally agree with the Proposed Solution, because it will validate the common assumption held by most Malay Muslims (myself and probably Dr. Dzulkifly are excluded) that being non-Muslim is about minum arak, makan babi, 5 minutes with "little dragon lady", civil partnership (the polite alias for let's say, a girl having a girlfriend) etc. and not pergi sembahyang di gereja, vegetarian diet, tak makan babi bcos the Bible said so etc. And it's this common assumption that leads to absence of vegetarian diet at PLKN camps and other religious insensitivities towards the non-Muslims. The question is, will these non-Muslims change their attitude, at least being religious for their own religion?

Anonymous said...

we, the non muslim, will be happy IF:

1) islamic law on muslims ONLY.

2) make no changes to the entertainment sector in Kedah

3) spare all the present legal gambling, alcoholic n nightlife outlets

4) but i dont mind you closing down all the illegal gambling den

5) no banning of concerts, alcohol, gambling n nightlife in Kedah but ONLY on muslims

6) let the non muslim have their freedom in entertainment like how they used to have under BN gov

7) cleaner and transparent gov

8) no racial discrimination n treat everyone as malaysians not according to races

under BN
the non muslims enjoyed the freedom we had under BN but we do not like their inefficient gov.

under PAS
the non muslims DO NOT have freedom/entertainments in our life but we have an efficient gov.

so, that is still a draw. 1-1

under ???
the non muslims enjoyed the freedom we used to have and we are under an efficient gov.

if PAS/PKR/BN is able to give us that, the non muslim have no doubt to cast their vote to them.

Anonymous said...

i find it sickening the way some people try to bring religion into every aspect of life...most religions were created thousands of years ago..i feel that religious teachings are personal to an individual n should not be pushed into other aspects of our lives..

things change in time..what was thought to be a way of life thousands of years ago may not be completely so now..

if muslims think that she is too sexy...then muslims only should be banned from the concert...don't stop others from having a good time..

even if avril is "too sexy"..so what?...going to her concert for one night will not turn you into a "free whore" overnight..why keep blaming the westerners ?...if you think its too obscene,then don't go, simple..

what about christina aguilera,whitney houston,celine dion, n mariah carey..they all have great voices but they also where short n tight dresses..since when did this group of ppl who find singers too sexy become our moral guardians ??...

wat about parents?..they are d true moral guardians of their children..if this is d case..besides,teens r not stupid nowadays..we have other things like tv,astro,n internet to show us stuff...might as well d government completely ban n block all these to"protect our morals" n prevent malaysia 4rm growing economically n not join d globalising world.

Anonymous said...

"O those of My servants who have transgressed against your own selves, despair not of God's mercy. God does forgive all sins, for surely He is the most forgiving most merciful one." (39:53)

-----------------------------------
THE SUPREME forgives,but human being with limited knowledge,n veiled hearts r too judgemental,too preacy.In India,the hindu sabha r very arrogant,very preacy moralists..tapi,these preacy right wing nutters were caught with pelacurs,jailed for taking bribes,n responsible for all sorts of evil..and look at Pakistan..the idea was to create an islamic state for the muslim,but ,that "kingdom" has turned into a banana republic controlled by the army

Anonymous said...

And what about the arabs?There is lot's of restrictions,lots of bans in arab kingdoms,but..hehe..the urges,sexual appetites of the arabs,both male n female r just as hebat as any secular kafir westerners..betui tak?Even India,the land of 1000 and 1 religions,is suffering from all sorts of "kehaprakan"..India has her long list of harams and halals,but all sorts of sickness,poverty,inequality,continues to ravage Bharat.

Nostradamus said...

The Courage to Build a New Malaysia.
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The year is 2008. This is the year most Malaysians finally woke up from a deep slumber. Most Malaysians were just too busy earning their living and building up their lives to take notice that times have changed and the idealism spouted by our founding Fathers have still not been accomplished for this country even today.

It was not so long ago in 1957 and then for our fellow East Malaysians in 1963 when the ideals and dreams preached by the late Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra Al-Haj (Bapa Kemerdekaan and Bapa Malaysia) for Malaysia were first announced and was greeted with joy in the hearts and minds of all Malaysians. The late Tunku Abdul Rahman had a dream and ideals, just like Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela and many others including the prophets over the history of mankind.

Many a times such dreams were hijacked and led astray under the guise of nationalistic, racist and religious idealism by so called politicians and self declared and appointed righteous and religious persons (Little Napoleons). Individuals who have risen to continue some of such idealisms are gagged, isolated, bankcrupted, blasphemied, rehabilitated or worst jailed, for it is deemed not in consonance with the dreams and idealism of the elected parties agendas.

Laws are legislated and passed at whim in Parliament to change the idealism of the Supreme Law of the Land (The Malaysian Constitution) and to cloak such party and individual agendas. It is true, Malaysia, conforms to the democratic process as practiced by most western countries in elections (even though tainted but unproven). But once given the trust to be elected as a leader or representative of the people, party and individual idealism overtook national idealism, and The Jeykll and Hyde personality emerged to be repeated over and over again at each and every election and by-election.

Malaysians have being led astray for so long, that what is right is blurred, what is wrong is tolerated, what is evil is condoned, what is fair is pouted as unfair, what is immoral becomes moral and corruption and close one eye need to become a part of our accepted daily lives. Jealousy, hatred, greed, racism, plundering and satanism starts to breed in Malaysian minds, and brothers, friends and fellow Malaysians were looked upon as enemies or as inferior human beings. Once a while, such nets were cast ashore to include anything to do with other countries or other races which do not belong to one's own race or religious beliefs.

The minds and souls of Malaysians are so polluted and poisoned for so many years that it seems that Malaysia is the only all correct country and we should rule the world by our way. Examples of countries which follows Malaysia or is it we following them are, such as North Korea, Zimbabwe and Israel. What justifications can you tell your own generations or future Malaysian generations that what you are doing to fellow mankind and more so to your own fellow Malaysians that it is righteous and correct, when, it is at the expense and sufferings of your own human kind and fellow Malaysians?

Can you say to them I did it to follow the orders and teachings of God or party political agendas? Who gave you such inspirations and idealism? Do not absolve your own wicked mind and greed nor take a ride on someone else wicked mind and greed. Do not pick and choose in the Books of God nor the man-made laws to justify or suit your own twisted and idealistic minds. You can fool others due to their ignorance or emotions at some time but you can't fool forever a man's conscience nor your own children or hopefully one day your own when such enlightenment comes to you.

The courage to change things which are not right in Malaysia nor achieve the ideals of the Founding Fathers is not impossible. Most Malaysians have woken up to the fact that the future is going to be determined by it's own citizens thru their own conscience guided by their own religious beliefs to live a harmonious and productive life of correctness and not the type of political, racial or religious correctness as preached.

Parties and their own agendas do not take priority over the Founding Fathers ideals and hopes of all Malaysians. Religion and principles are as a guide to your own conscience to make sure whoever is the leader do not lead Malaysians nor society astray.

For in the end, what is just and right should surely overule anything else for any leader or their party agendas.

Does your Representative of the People (Wakil Rakyat) or You! have the courage?

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Keberanian Membina sebuah Malaysia Baru.
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Kini ialah tahun 2008. Tahun inilah rakyat Malaysia terbangkit dari tidur yang nyenyak. Kebanyakan rakyat terlalu sibuk mencari nafkah dan membina hidup mereka untuk memperhatikan zaman telah berubah dan idealisma yang didukung oleh Bapa-bapa pengasas negara masih belum tercapai untuk negara sahingga hari ini.

Tidaklah lama dahulu pada tahun 1957 dan untuk seteman kita di Malaysia Timur pada tahun 1963, idealisma dan impian yang diucapkan oleh Allahyarham Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra Al-Haj (Bapa Kemerdekaaan dan Bapa Malaysia) untuk Malaysia diumumkan dan disambut dengan penuh kegembiraan didalam hati sanubari rakyatnya. Allahyarham Tunku Abdul Rahman mempunyai impian dan idealisma sama seperti Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela dan ramai lagi termasuk nabi-nabi sepanjang sejarah manusia.

Kerapkali impian-impian tersebut dirampas dan diselewengkan dibawah kepura-puraan nasionalisma, perkauman dan idealisma keagamaan oleh ahli-ahli politik dan orang-perseorangan yang memilih dan melantik sendiri sebagai jaguh kebenaran dan beriman (Little Napoleon). Individu yang membangkit meneruskan idealisma tersebut tidak dibenarkan bersuara, diasingkan, dibankrapkan, dicercakan, dipulihkan dan lebih teruknya dipenjarakan cuma kerana tidak mengikut aliran impian dan idealisma agenda-agenda parti terpilih.

Undang-undang digubal dan diluluskan sewenang-wenangnya di Parliamen untuk mengubah idealisma yang terkandung dalam Perlembagaan Malaysia dan menutup muslihat agenda parti dan individu. Memang betul diperkatakan Malaysia mengikut peraturan proses demokratik seperti yang dipraktiskan kebanyakan negara-negara barat semasa pilihan raya (walaupun tercemar tetapi tidak terbukti). Tetapi, selepas sahaja diberikan kepercayaan dan dipilh sebagai pemimpin atau wakil rakyat, idealisma persendirian dan parti mengantikan idealisma nasional dan personaliti Jeykll dan Hyde timbul kembali untuk diulangi pada setiap pilihan raya besar dan kecil.

Rakyat Malaysia telah dipimpin secara tersesat sekian lamanya sahingga apa yang benar dikaburkan, apa yang salah ditoleransikan, apa yang jahat ditutupkan, apa yang adil disebut sebagai tidak adil, apa yang tidak bermoral dijadikan bermoral dan korupsi dan tutup sebelah mata menjadi-jadi dan perlu diterima sebagai kehidupan harian kita. Iri hati, kebencian, ketamakan, perkauman, perampuk dan sifat setan mulai membiak di minda rakyat Malaysia dan sahabat, kawan dan rakyat Malaysia sejagat diperlihatkan sebagai musuh dan manusia tidak setanding. Sekali sekala, pemikiran seperti ini dilontarkan kepada negara asing yang tidak sebangsa dan seagama sendiri.

Minda dan jiwa rakyat Malaysia telah dicemari dan diracuni bertahun-tahun lamanya sahingga ternampak macam Malaysia sahaja yang paling betul dan kita harus memerintah dunia mengikut acuan kita. Contoh negara-negara yang mengikut Malaysia ataupun yang kita mengikut
mereka adalah seperti Korea Utara, Zimbabwe dan Israel. Apakah justifikasi yang boleh diberikan kepada generasi sendiri ataupun generasi rakyat Malaysia yang akan datang tentang apa yang kita buat kepada manusia sejagat terutama kepada rakyat Malaysia sejagat adalah betul dan adil padahal ia dibuat atas pengorbanan dan sengsaraan manusia sejagat iaitu rakyat Malaysia sendiri.

Bolehkah kita memperkatakan, saya melakukannya demi menurut perintah dan arahan Tuhan atau agenda politik parti? Siapakah yang memberikan kamu inspirasi dan idealisma tersebut? Jangan sekali-kali mengampuni minda dan ketamakan sendiri atau menumpang diatas minda dan ketamakan orang lain. Jangan memetik dan memilih dalam kitab-kitab Tuhan atau Undang-undang manusia untuk menjustifikasikan atau menyesuaikan mengikut idealisma dan kehendak minda kamu yang tersongsang. Kamu boleh menipu yang lain atas kejahilan atau emosi mereka pada masa tertentu tetapi tidak akan dapat menipu suara hati manusia atau anak sendiri dan barangkali suatu hari nanti diri sendiri apabila nur cahaya mendatangkan kepada kamu.

Keberanian mengubah yang tak betul di Malaysia untuk mencapai idealisma bapa-bapa pengasas negara tidak mustahil. Kebanyakan rakyat Malaysia telah membangkit dan sedar bahawa masa hadapan negara akan ditentukan oleh warganegara sendiri melalui suara hati mereka dengan panduan kepercayaan kepada agama masing-masing untuk hidup berharmoni dan produktif secara betul dan tidak mengikut acuan politik, perkauman atau keagamaan yang dikutbahkan.

Agenda parti dan persendirian tidak boleh diutamakan berbanding idealisma dan harapan bapa-bapa pengasas untuk semua rakyat Malaysia. Agama dan prinsip-prinsip adalah panduan kepada suara hati kamu untuk menentukan sesiapa yang menjadi pemimpin tidak mengsongsangkan rakyat Malaysia ataupun masyarakat.

Kerana pada akhirnya, apa yang adil dan benar tentu diutamakan oleh setiap pemimpin ataupun agenda parti masing-masing.

Adakah Wakil Rakyat kamu ataupun Kamu! mempunyai Keberanian?

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tyu said...

Tulang Besi,

I truly hope people will look beyond the flesh and instead focus on what is inside the human being. I still haven't seen a picture showing 70% of her body, even if there is one, so what is the big deal? Can you say that she is an evil person? Had she murdered someone? Bribed someone? Stolen from someone?

I don't suppose I can change your view, but if you have a chance, interact with the foreigners from the west, you will find that they are just people like you and me. "decadent Western cultures" are strong words, unless you truly understand what western cultures are, it would not be fair to use those words. Just think of how you would feel if people mislabel Islam.

Anonymous said...

Tulang Besi,

I think you represent the worst thinking among the Male Malay Muslim mind.

I think you are narrow minded, pathetic and sexually obsessed and frusfrated

I am chinese guy by the way.

Do you even know what is Feminism by the way. I bet you didn't even know before posting this blog.

Feminism, like the Black Empowerment Movement in the US is about giving equal rights to women to vote, to education to many other rights that men enjoy.

It is not about being 'whores' as you suggest. It is about giving them equal rights in society.

Another thing, what is this obsession about sex anyway? I believe it is this kind of thinking that sets back the Muslim world. Tell me Tulang Besi, name me one Muslim country that practises what you post that is progressive and advanced? Where women are stuck in the house, can't vote, work and every choice is dictated by their fathers, husbands, brothers, mufti, imam and what have you.

And don't blame Israel, Americans and the Jews (Or the Chinese) for your own failings.

I would be happy if my daughters are free to choose whatever paths they wish to take along with the consequences that entails. I think all I have to do is to guide them and educate them. Not control them as you say.

And your view regarding western women also reveal your sexually obsessed mind.

Why must you look at white women and think of them as just mere piece of meat or "whore" as you put it. For every Britney Spears there is a Margerate Thatcher, Hillary Clinton and Condeleeza Rice and other women from the west that is worth learning from. I am sure they are not mere "whores".

Tulang Besi said...

Anon September 4, 2008 12:56 PM says:

Do you even know what is Feminism by the way. I bet you didn't even know before posting this blog.

Feminism, like the Black Empowerment Movement in the US is about giving equal rights to women to vote, to education to many other rights that men enjoy.

MY REPLY: This is where you're deeply mistaken. the feminist movement is NOTHING like the Civil Rights movement at all.

Why? Because if you read the original book that launched the feminist movement, "Feminine Mystique", you will see that feminism has nothing to do with rights.

Why? Because when 90% of women were homemakers and all men provide for their families, policies slanting towards men is viewed as policies towards taking care of women and children under the care of men.

So, how is this a form "gender discrimination"?

Anyways, Gloria Steiner original argument on feminism has nothing to do with rights at all.

She argued, originally, that women will be more satisfied with their life if they choose to work outside their homes and give up their role as homemaker.

That's what feminism is all about and intended to be. The whole idea about rights and equality comes much later.

So anon, I think you need to brush up on your knowledge on feminism. I bet u've never heard of Gloria Steiner.

Tulang Besi said...

anon says:

"Another thing, what is this obsession about sex anyway? I believe it is this kind of thinking that sets back the Muslim world. Tell me Tulang Besi, name me one Muslim country that practises what you post that is progressive and advanced?"

MY REPLY: I think this is another misconception. When the West launched their Industrial Revolution, feminism was not in existance.

Feminism came much later after Western countries achieved developed status.

In fact, what has the West acheived today has nothing to do with Feminism or the so call "women's rights".

This is what we call "fallacy" in logic writing.

Tulang Besi said...

anon says:

"I would be happy if my daughters are free to choose whatever paths they wish to take along with the consequences that entails. I think all I have to do is to guide them and educate them. Not control them as you say."


MY REPLY: I would be happy too, but i know my daughters will be their HAPPIEST and MOST SATISFIED when they choose MOTHERHOOD over everything else.

The idea of career being the most important ingredient for women satisfaction as advocated by the feminists is a lie.

Even in Western countries, women are dropping out of the workplace any chance they get for motherhood.

It's a parent's job to guide their children to make the best of choices.

Tulang Besi said...

anon says:

"It is not about being 'whores' as you suggest. It is about giving them equal rights in society."

MY REPLY: Of course, no one wants to admit flaws in their theory.

But the fact remains, that the outcome of the so call "equal rights" always ended up with women becoming "free whores".

Who actually benefits from all this "rights" anyways? Women?

What about the fact that "women's rights" actually leads to discrimination against "mothers"?

Serious Shepherd said...

Assalamu alaikum Mr Tulang Besi,

Here is some useful article about STD and teenage pregnancy. I believe you do not want to let your daughters to be involved with either one, especially with worrying trends in recent years like this one.

Selamat berbuka puasa.

JackStraw said...

The problem is: if we think that Avril is not a very good role model then it wouldnt be fair for us to let others to accept her as well. Where is our social responsibility. Islam is a bless to the whole mankind. Thats the problem, because we always base our argument on religious stance where there are loads of things where religion 'fit' perfectly to our own social needs. Some might come out with their freedom of expression/speech slogan, but the rest of us also have our own rights dont we?? Try to find the things that we have in common as everyone wants a better quality of life and go from there. Dont just expect others to follow us just because we 'think' we are right.

Wong said...

I am a Chinese female of Buddhist beliefs.

Allow me to state my stance on the 'undesirable corrupting females of today'

I've seen all kinds! And I have chosen to dress modestly. Now how can I do this when all the 'negative influences' are around me? My religion/practice does not prohibit me from seeing and practicing anything, but yet I choose to dress modestly.

(Modest being: loose fitting jeans, high-moderate necklines, sleeves ranging from elbow to long, sometimes sleeveless, but accompanied with a jacket. No make up)

I go about my business, not bothering anybody, not doing any hip gyrations or other seductive stuff. I don't want to do it, I don't feel like doing it. (except maybe after I am married to my husband)

I am working part-time, and the money I earn helps me supplement my family's expenditure on sending me to university, so I may learn to help the future generation. I do not drink, I do not smoke, nor do I do drugs, despite not being prohibited from doing so. Yet I am currently living in a society which habitually smokes, drinks and does drugs.

How can I do this?

I have internalized morals. I do it because I have thought things out myself and decided that its a good thing to do, not because God says so. (Buddhism has no god)

I am proud of having an internalized sense of morality. Unfortunately, a lot of other people require an external sense of morality to do good.

Since there are no religious limits for me, I can do anything I want, without fear of being in everlasting hell. But... I do not... ever wonder why?

Course the temptation is there, and the best person is the person who resists temptations for internatlized reasons.

Anonymous said...

Well,banning female singers,n concerts certainly wont solve any problems,because there r plenty of alternative channels avaible for us to excercise our desires.Banning suppresses human's desires,they never eliminate.If there is a desire to create a holistic society,then one must really go deep and examine and discover the spritual "contents" of a human being.there r plenty of clues avaible in the holy scriptures as to who we really r.I bet ya,if a tiny bit of our true nature is discovered n understodd,all this talk about banning this n that will drop off automtically.

Anonymous said...

Tulang Besi,

sexual obsession
Your obsession with sexuality -- both disturbing and amusing at the same time -- reveals more about your personal nature than with contested spaces of gender roles and equality that define feminist discourses.

Pseudo Intellectual
By your logic, women who have been struggling against power systems that favor men must be painted as immoral. It is actually you who are the immoral one.

Who is Social Engineering?
Your solution -- to segregate society according to narrow definitions of religious affiliation -- comes straight from the Apartheid/Nazi/Jim Crow playbook.

Politics Makes Strange Bedfellows
One of the ironies of Malaysia's current political situation is that you could be somehow associated with the reformasi movement.

Poetic Justice
You seem to be a young man (I am guessing, by your mention of impending twin girls with no other reference to fatherhood experiences). Let us pray that you mature into a more inclusive thinker by the time that you and your girls grow up. Who knows, God may lead them to embrace feminist ideals or lesbian sexuality, and then you will have to put your beliefs in a more personal context.

Dengan ikhlas,
Emmar

Tulang Besi said...

Emmar says:

"sexual obsession
Your obsession with sexuality -- both disturbing and amusing at the same time -- reveals more about your personal nature than with contested spaces of gender roles and equality that define feminist discourses."

MY REPLY: So, in order for me NOT to be obsessed with sexuality, i should just tolerate the practice of "Free Whoring" as being practiced openly now?

Or should I correct a corruption in the soceity so as to save future generations and b ring future generations onto the right track?

Please enlighten me, Emmar.

Tulang Besi said...

Emmar says:

"Pseudo Intellectual
By your logic, women who have been struggling against power systems that favor men must be painted as immoral. It is actually you who are the immoral one."

MY REPLY: Maybe the power system is as such because traditionally men are enshrined with the responsibility to protect and provide for women and children.

Do you see now why feminism is false? There never was gender discrimination, ever.

The power and resource given to men is because men would then use them to protect and provide for women and children.

As such, it creates a healthy and normal society. Ask the Japanese. They became great when they were under such social norms.

Anyway, thanx for highlighting this point. It helped me a lot in terms of pointing to people the falsehood of feminism.

Tulang Besi said...

Emmar says:

"Who is Social Engineering?
Your solution -- to segregate society according to narrow definitions of religious affiliation -- comes straight from the Apartheid/Nazi/Jim Crow playbook."

MY REPLY: NAzi, Apartheid,??? U must be very confused Emmar.

Those people practice RACIAL SEGREGATION, not GENDER SEGREGATION.

There is a difference u know.

Tulang Besi said...

Emmar says:


Politics Makes Strange Bedfellows
One of the ironies of Malaysia's current political situation is that you could be somehow associated with the reformasi movement.


MY REPLY: Err, reformasi movement is never about destroying Islam or adopting social reengineering agenda of the liberals.

Maybe u got onto the wrong Reformasi bandwagon.

Anonymous said...

@ jed yoong

The rise of women in the workforce had more to do with unregulated capitalism.

Marx's 'Industrial Reserve Army'
The 'conspiracy' to get women (and children) to work contributed to what Marx (in Capital, vol.1) called the 'Industrial Reserve Army,' a simultaneous overworking of one part of the labor force which creates a large pool of unemployed -- capitalists use the presence of the latter as a counterbalance to pressure for rising wages, increasing, in the process, their surplus value.

Willing Members of the Workforce?
It is hard to imagine that without outside pressure, women would have willingly volunteered themselves to be exploited as 19th c. factory workers. A more likely explanation is that it arose from the economic necessities in industrial societies.

Karl's Malaysia
We could make a Marxian critique of the situation here in Malaysia with our pekerja kilang, Indonesian migrants, and changing forms of social expression (like those of the youth and women that the ultra-conservatives of these pages frequently bloviate against).

The Source of the Problem?
Perhaps the root causes of the perceived social 'problems' are not Westernization but unbridled Capitalism.

Emmar

Anonymous said...

Tulang,

You really have to stop looking at the world as being so cut and dry, dualistic...men and women having fixed roles, Muslims all adhering to a fixed set of beliefs and practices, framing traditions as ahistorical -- essentializing whatever used to be as, by default, the 'correct' way.

Why?
First, because the world does not work that way, and second, because it is subverts the complexity that makes the world -- at the very least -- an interesting place to live.

Some look at the world and see it half full, others look at it and see 'free whoring'.

(Really, chill out on the Freudian whore talk, it reminds me of how "Mr. Susceptible" Najib goes on and on about sodomy)

No "gender discrimination ever?"

Really? I have to put a few more question marks there

???

Are women totally lacking in agency to do what they want with their lives?

And if and when they do choose to work are you saying that they have access to equal opportunities across the board?

Do all men provide all that all women want? Maybe in your Utopia, but not in reality.

(BTW, just curious and for further debate, at which point did the Japanese, as you say, "become great"?)

And finally, for now, Reformasi is a movement for political reform. The irony is, simply enough, that it attracts political reactionaries whose discourse is similarly repressive to the old regime.

Emmar

Tulang Besi said...

Emmar says:

"(Really, chill out on the Freudian whore talk, it reminds me of how "Mr. Susceptible" Najib goes on and on about sodomy)"

MY REPLY: Wow, the truth really strikes u in the face like a paddle.

Tulang Besi said...

Emmar says:

"Really? I have to put a few more question marks there

???

Are women totally lacking in agency to do what they want with their lives?

And if and when they do choose to work are you saying that they have access to equal opportunities across the board?

Do all men provide all that all women want? Maybe in your Utopia, but not in reality. "

MY REPLY: I dunno, ypour questions doesn't point to anything. The fact remains there is no evidence whatsoever pointing to the existance of gender discrimination in the history of mankind.

ANd all your argument doesn't seem to lead to your conclusion.

So there.

tareh said...

presently, im amongst the many thousand malaysian music fan that travel on a very frequent basis to indonesia, thailand and singapore (sometime japan) to catch rock concerts. and just last month, me & hundred other malaysians thronged singapore to catch Singfest. (www.singfest.sg/)

for us, these banning of concerts in malaysia does not matter at all. most (like 90%) artists that makes malaysia as a stopover are usually crappy pop stars. avril? bleergh. gwen? *puke* pussycatsdoll? *stabs eye*

about feminism, i dont really understand the whole story, all i know its something about equality for women or something. to be on par with men. but what i dont understand is that, you want equality but still you want a 30 day maternity leave. when the boat is sinking, still the women and children leaves first. when there's war, its not ok to shoot the women. so yeah. IMHO its very hypocritical.

Michael said...

Hi Tulang Besi,

First and foremost I would like to say that I am an avid reader of your blog and have been following it from the beginning of this year. I read your blog for the political postings from your insider contacts, and I thank you for such posts.

Because this post was supposed to be about the banning of the concert, that's what I am going to focus on. Although I agree with you that feminism has been hijacked to mean anything and everything, I am not of the opinion that motherhood mainly fulfills a woman's life. If it were, then I would say that many successful single women are living a lie and that single mothers who work can't live a fulfilling life, or that their children would hate them.

My main argument:
Your proposal to restrict Muslims raises a question: What defines a Muslim? Actually it raises many more questions, as I will argue. At least her concert was given the go-ahead again.

So, what defines a Muslim? The foremost answer would be: the Malays in general. But the problem with this definition is that not all Malays are as pious and holier-than-thou as you, and this is especially true of the urban Malays. The reason being (as many people in Malaysia fail to see) that Malays are still people. This means a Malay person's religious beliefs run the gamut from atheist to moderate to hardcore conservative, though the latter are disdainful over the former. The ban you propose will of course be approved by Muslims who have the same sentiments as you (who would most probably not see the concert anyway) and will piss off the Muslims who don't have the same sentiments as you (those who are "morally corrupt": her fans or those who don't want to be pontificated on by others).

OK, so you want to ban such concerts. Such concerts regularly last two or three hours... so what gives? Is Avril Lavigne so influential that in a span of three hours she can destroy all our family values? No! But the reason there is this perception is because *drumroll*...
... Avril Lavigne's content can be readily accessed on the television or the Internet, 24/7, completely uncensored (the Internet, at least), for non-Muslim and Muslim alike. It's like making a fuss of bolting the front door shut tightly with added locks, chains and bars only to leave the back door open. It truly is remarkably moronic.

What banning concerts like hers, or that poor Indonesian dangdut singer Inul Daratista only does is piss off the organisers of the event who are risking millions of Ringgit in terms of advertising, signing contracts and other preparations. In the end, Malaysians either end up going abroad (better for others' economy) or are still able to get their videos and music online or on tv and at the same time prevent industrious Malaysians from bringing in such concerts. All this is utterly ludicrous as even the "good old days" of P. Ramlee's time there were maaaannny women, both Muslims and non-Muslim gyrating their hips (oh my!) with men (gasp!) in dance clubs (you don't say!) wearing the latest clothes with trendy, uncovered hair (gasp!) to the tunes of dangdut and joget, both considered hallmarks of the Malaysian yesteryears.

For your ban to work you would completely have to ban Western content on all forms of media in Malaysia and instantly the majority of Malaysian media companies will go bankrupt, yes, even some of the ones who have Malay as their medium. Just ban it, because at the mere exposure of such media a Muslim will become an incontrollable beast of immorality.

But the reason why anyone would want to bar Muslims from entering her concert is because of perception. The perception that Muslims are holy and righteous and anything else will not fly--a perception that reduces holiness to a mere mask, and as you put it so succinctly, a perception that is promoted to remain relevant in the war to claim the moral high ground.

Anonymous said...

To find out more about Feminism and its detrimental effects on society, read articles by Henry Makow on the subject in savethemales.

Anonymous said...

The Source of the Problem?
Perhaps the root causes of the perceived social 'problems' are not Westernization but unbridled Capitalism.

Emmar
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Aaah..unbridled capitalism birth place is the western world..we can see this everywhere,in Singapore,Japan,Hong Kong,India,China....I guess,we asians r too dumb,n r so lost in space, that anything western is 2 thumbs up..

Anonymous said...

Yes,asians have totally erased asian identity.Our apporach to religion is also very westernish..mat salleh do yoga,we too quickly open up yoga centers(Hip man!!can also make luo o!!).Time has now come to go back to our roots,to go back n rediscover the fundementals that made asians strong n progressive in every field.

Born2Reign said...

86% of illegitimate births in Hospital KL are Muslims. Were they influenced by Westerners?

What has the Islamic authorities done not only to the unmarried mothers, more importantly have they tracked down the runaway fathers and ensure there is rehabilitation, protection for the mother and the innocent child?

Why is it that the non-Muslims watching and listening Western shows and music, not have such a huge issue as the Muslims?

You will not only be concerned with your daughters' virginity (congratulations on your expected twins), but her marriage, the treatment by her husband, divorce, custody, financial aid by ex-husband, mental state in being a single parent bringing up her children in a broken family, incest, rapes, the list goes on...

These are the Malay women dilemma, and this used to be the Western women dilemma, until the women fought for their rights and be treated as equal (as humanely) as men. I disagree that women have to act like men to be recognised, women are emotional, nurturers, refined, different from men who are single focused, task-oriented, etc.

Again, do not use your religion to impose your wants on your children. Many of my non-Muslims friends rave about their tudung-clad-meek-gentle sex partners turning into wild animals in extra-marital sexual affairs, but their parents still view them as religious innocent girls. A case of "don't want to see and can't see". Oppression always lead to retaliation.

I am a non-Muslim, living a pretty normal childhood. Met many Malay flashers in back lanes and schools (why are these flashers mostly Malays??), miang Malay and Chinese men who pretend to put their hands on your thighs...I can go on.

But my parents never said that men are better, and so
we made our own career choices (feminist characteristic),
rise up the corporate ladder (feminism),
get married to the man of my choice (feminist),
choose to run my own business to increase wealth and time (feminism),
mother of a few children by the blessings of God,
work at my marriage and parenthood.

I have never appreciated alcohol, cigarettes, gambling. I have worked in countries where a beer costs less than orange juice. They have alcoholism problems, spousal abuse, child abuse, teen pregnancies...these are the same problems faced by Muslims in Malaysia, who supposedly refrain from drinking and gambling. And Chinese have a bad gambling problem, leaving the children alone in Genting foyer while the parents go to casino.

Therefore I must disagree with you that immorality and family breakdowns are caused by certain singers and habits from Western cultures. These non-Muslim singers, shows and habits will always be around. You can ban prostitutes, but Muslims men still hunt for prostitutes imported from China and Indonesia, in fact the rich Arabs prefer white flesh from Paris. Why are the pervert men not pursued and tried? (feminism).

And many Muslim men have no money to feed their families, but have money to buy cigarettes???!!!

The question is are you spending Quantity and Quality time as parent that you are able to guide your children to taste fire, KNOW the sting of fire, and AVOID playing with fire?

Lesson no.1, being a Muslim or Catholic will not make your kids wise, but spending time to teach, expose and guide them will.

Anonymous said...

born2reign,r u the guy who flew into the cucoos nest?I suppose indian youth,chinese boys r all gnostic beings,lol!Look,I am non muslim n a hindu,but,man,the problems afflicting the indian community is ..*phew*..awesome!!..frm youth to elders,alcoholism reigns supreme!violence,depression,crime seem to part n parcel of an indain psyche..Indian community is on autopilot..thats why in their hearts of hearts they yearn to be "dibela" becos indian leaders r not only clueless, most of them r 1/2P6 corrupt pot bellied sh!t heads!!And mark my word.Their future leaders have arrived n they r frm PAS,PKR, n within a short period of time,we see some sense of discipline amongst indians who have joined those 2 parties.Just couple of days ago,one indian guy said Tok Guru Nik Aziz is the Gandhi of Malaysia,and all of us,sipping teh tariks discussing the similarities between Islam n hindusim..nandi the divine cow as mentioned in the vedas..the verse of holy cow mentioned in the holy quran..these discussions r really wonderful...remember,there r many things that bind us..

Born2Reign said...

Anonymous who flew into the cucoos nest...
Your math must need revision. 86% from Muslims , 14% from non-Muslims. So you are right, social problems exists in Chinese, Indian, Peranakan, etc, in 14% of the cases for illegitimate births category only. Other categories please check with the Health minister.

My point is even if you take away booze, pork, women wear tudung and men wears religious robes, no cars, no PCs, no TVs, music and so on... Malaysia will still face incest, spousal and child abuse, rapes, alcoholism, broken families, drugs, mat rempits,...

My conclusion is that this author blaming social ills on Avril concert is like a dog barking up the wrong tree. I challenge you to take away all the western investions from telephone, internet (a lot of porno sites here), trains, printers, washing machine to air-conds, Prison Break to microphones, bras and underwears,...

...and the social ills shall not go away.

So since you guys are such good critics at music and movies and dressings, why not you produce some Malaysian movies and music which are family oriented and engaging and market them all over the world? Compete in the real world! And earn some money and pay tax & support Malaysian charities?

Why don't you throw out all western inventions - many IT equipments are made in Israel and relabelled in Singapore and shipped to Malaysia, just so that the Muslims are happy to purchase "Made in Israel but distributed from Singapore" equipment. Yes these are Malay bumi companies telling Muslims to hate Jews, at the same time transferring Malays money to Jews. Cost more too for the rerouting job..What a joke!

Go ahead Anonymous, you can start with throwing out your handphone and car. Show that you really pro-antiWestern culture. Walking is good for health.

Anonymous said...

Lol!!@born2reign..mate,i agree that not every affliction is frm the western world..but we have to admit westwern values has given almost zero benefit..most of the "values" we see in europe actually came frm asia..in fact its westernization of asian ideals,systems that we have adopted..what is really needed now is to rediscover the essence of asian ideals,values,dharma n implement them in the 21st century n beyond.

Anonymous said...

born2reign.Make u sure u use ear piece ah when using cell phones,becos studies shows u might get brain tumour ..hehe,i watched Larry King interviweing Johnny Cochran's neurosurgeon..peace out:-)

Anonymous said...

The problem with western r's likurs is they think anything asian is primitive,kuno,out dated,no values,should be abondoned.They dont realise that most of the knowledge of science,maths,engineering,invention/innovation,democarcy,n discoveries of spritual laws of the HIGEST LEVEL came frm the east.Only now,we see in modern physics,microbiology certain discoveries that corresponds to spritual realities which asia discovered centuries ago!!!But,bodo,dunggu,western r's likurs dont know ,and dont wanna know.They feel that..oo,the ultmate happiness is to have HSBC gold card,millions in the bank,whealin n dealin wit gooey elites,having penthouses, bimbos as trophy wives,n luxury cars,n reading harry potter books..aah,e2 semua ada,baru orang kasi respect.e2 semua tadak,man,u r a loser,a nobody,a bum..betui tak,my dear western r's likur?

Anonymous said...

The best part is,mat sallehs dah sedar..they have realised the limitations of their ideals,falsafahs,systems..they r increasingly venturing to the east in search of answers..even saintis pun cari clues in ancient text..but unfortunately for us asians,dunggu bodo wstern r's likurs r still in charge,n they continue to hold on to values which r being abondoned by their guru's i.e the mat sallehs

Anonymous said...

As a soon to be father of twin girls congrats.

I hope you will fight to change the current practise/custom/laws which are based on a subservient role of women compared to men.

Anonymous said...

And how the indians n the chinese treat women?banyak baguih kah?No religion says that women should be treated less equal,but the problem is,man's "ME TARZAN U JANE" instinct is still strong.

Anonymous said...

Heaven Lies at the Feet of Mother

In The Name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful.


Heaven lies at the feet of a mother.?Catholic doctrine refers to Mary as, Holy Mary, Mother of God.?What do these doctrines mean?
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It means,mother as the DIVINE MOTHER,SHE THE SUPREME SUPREME..

In India,all the supramental shaktis/powers/energies r feminine.... ..frm india's perspective, the THRONE is the seat of IMPERIAL MAHESWARI/SUPREME WISDOM..ALLAH IS EXALTED IN POWER..In India,power worship is known as shakti pooja..a very very ol tardition.. and the godheads r also feminine..symbolised by Durga n MAHAKALI..what i am bout to say i hopelah ,is not erased by brother tulang besi....MAHAKALI represents tremendous switfness,height n power,and she simply cannot tolerate anything that is not divine..she is the slayer of falsehood..a small group of people..a very small one,r aware of the powers that were "brought down" by NABI MUHAMMAD(SAW)..that caused the sudden transformation of nomadic tribes in2 a knowledge seeking people...there has always been interventions..there has always been spritual progression on earth..life is always moving forward,and whenever,there is a crisis,intervention takes place..these small group r also aware of Nabi Muhamamd "incomplete" mission....and the need of Imam Mahdi to complete the works of Nabi Muhammad(SAW)..Imam Mahdi is known as the kalki avatar in India..this work concers radical transformation of nature,harmonisation of all the supreme powers(not just the 2 supreme powers which are constantly mentioned in the holy quran)..i got no problems if people regard my bla bla as somethin "looney"..but,i dont know..i feel like i must let it out..
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There is a constant refrain in the Quran: “All that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth glorifieth Allah, and he is the Mighty, the Wise.” Mahakali-Maheshwari aspects are immediately recognized in this, but the absence of the other two powers brings imbalance in social organization. Which means that in the unregenerate state of society the Mahakali power gets appropriated by the Asuric forces

Bill said...

Dunno, I guess could agree in part with the comments, but perhaps it would be wiser to first educate the average Malay Muslim Male on NOT TO fornicate their own daughters and sisters. Dont wanna give the women equal rights ok lah, just for heavens sake tell them not to go around screwing their grand daughters la.

Born2Reign said...

Well said Bill. I second you on that.
I wonder whether fornification of own granddaughters and daughters came from Western or Asian values?
I wonder without feminism would this Old Testament practice from the Moabites, still be practised today?

Anonymous said...

Hey Bill the asshole & Born2Reign the cock sucker.....hehehehehehe

In USA/West...it is legal to fuck your own mother or granny....if you lick you can fuck your dog (Bill) or be fucked by the dog (Born2Reign).

In India, it's illegal to fuck the cow....the monkeys should be okay.

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