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Wednesday, December 10, 2008

On Mumbai, Terrrorism, Islamophobes and Double Standards

The Mumbai incident is regrettable. But it could've been avoided. My other regret is the fact how Islamophobes are celebrating the incident by underlining the dangers of Islamic zealots. But, is this a fair assessement of the situation knowing that islamophobes have always been wrong about islam. In fact, all the time they are wrong about Islam. Their hate of Islam is ideological and no matter what Islam teaches, they will hate it.

What Islamophobes fail to highlight is the fact that despite Muslims being 30% of the Indian population, their representation in the Indian parliament is less than 3%. Generally speaking Muslim Indians have shorter life spans, worse health, lower literacy levels, and lower-paying jobs. On top of that there is the Gujurat riots which claims about 2000 Muslims lives in 2002. But to date, none of the perpetrators have been convicted.

Aryn Baker writes:

"Government surveys show that Muslims live shorter, poorer and unhealthier lives than Hindus and are often excluded from the better jobs. To be sure, there are Muslim success stories in the booming economy. Azim Premji, the founder of the outsourcing giant Wipro, is one of the richest individuals in India. But, for many Muslims, the inequality of the boom has reinforced their exclusion.

And one cannot even begun to list down the countless atrocities commited in Khashmir. The rape, looting, state terrorism etc committed by the Indian army against the Khasmiri Muslims is well documented and yet no one cares."


Just like the fact that Israel's atrocities against Palestinians. The level of human rights violations by Isreal is akin to the treatment of Jews by the Nazis or akin to Stalin. Yet, Human Rights organization across USA is dead silent about it.

We hear their stooge in Malaysia like SUARAM, WAO, SIS and AWAM making big noise about fatwas on Pengkik and Yoga, but you hardly hear any of these "human rights" groups condemning atrocities against Muslims and Islam. So much for consistency.

In fact you never hear the ACLU, NAACP, NWO or many other Human Rights Organization and Feminists in America condemning Israel for their gross human rights violations.

When Muslims Gets Killed, It's Not Terrorism

It seems hypocritical Western Human Rights organization practices a rule: whenever Muslims gets massacard, it's not terrorism. Why? Since Isreal does it consistently, so others are justified in doing so.

Israel practices Apartheid and institutionalized discrimination against "gentiles". They only allow those of Jewish blood to get citizenship. Yet, no Human Rights organization and feminists condemns it.

Yet, here in Malaysia the Feminists are going to town defending homosexuality and immorality to the maximum.

Muslims are discriminated, killed, raped, murdered all over the world, and all people talk about is Osama ben Laden.

Now where is justice, may I ask?

Tulang Besi


46 comments:

Anonymous said...

No, TB, I do not hate Islam or Muslims. My religion teaches me to love not only my family and friends, but all mankind who live on this earth, my neighbours. It tells me to respect the right of every human to have their own worldviews and beliefs, to grant them the dignity and freedom to have their own opinion and doctrines, even if I disagree with them.
And by the way, according to Wikipedia, "With a population of about 7.28 million,the majority of whom are Jews,Israel is the world's only Jewish state. It is also home to other ethnic groups, including most numerously Arab citizens of Israel, as well as many religious groups including Muslims, Christians, Druze, Samaritans and others."
"Arab citizens comprise 20% of the population of Israel."
Salam

Anonymous said...

What they and YOU are doing is using selective examples. You cannot go on excusing the atrocities. You have to condemn them. And this is not what Muslims as a whole has done. What is great about the west is that it is them that condemn atrocities committed by elements among them. But Muslims in Malaysia has not come out to condemn the atrocities in Mumbai, in SOuthern Thailand or anywhere else. All the time we trot out figures of poverty among Muslims. There are Indian poor in Malaysia and there are Muslim poor in Thailand. But you dont see the Indians reacting the same way in Malaysia. If there are 30% Muslims in India today..can you tell me how many % of the population were Hindus at Indian Independence in 1947? And how many % of Hindus are now in India? And do ask, what happended to lower the %. Stop blaming the Islamophobes! We just refuse to see when people try to show us. The best example of this has nothing to do with us. The Holocast did not happen! And there are people here in my own backyard who agree. The ugly face of Islam cannot be hidden anymore. Same for cruelty and injustice anywhere!

amoker said...

Consistently, I have maintain and agree that the current Islamphobia is unbearing. Individuals are selected for screening because of their faith. And the same time after Mumbai, I do think that Muslims has to do something to help themselves. Other than demonstrating and doing PR work, Muslims are the only one who can nip extremists in the bulb.

Anonymous said...

Tulang Besi Indian Muslim shoud be 15% from Indian population where you got another 15%? R u a true muslim? show me ur source just dont lie pls n make urself stupied

yatim said...

This is how a typical muslim reacts. He picks up various unrelated issues to justify the atrocities, killings, murders, rapes, cruelty and injustice committed by the muslim using the name of Islam. A typical MUNAFIC. This is what they called a peace loving religion, when they go out and shoot innocent people including muslims. Ha! Ha! Ha!
People like Tulang Besi is a disgrace to any other religion.

Anonymous said...

Tulang Besi can explain to me, why if the Muslims are minority they have to be in conflict with majority around the world? just to start in Thailand, Filipino, Russia, Indian,......

kesava said...

-There are nearly 52 Muslim countries.

-Show one Muslim country which provides Haj subsidy except a secular country like India.

-Show one Muslim country where Hindus are extended the special rights that Muslims are accorded in India.

-Show one country where the 85% majority craves for the indulgence of the 15% minority.

-Show one Muslim country, which has a Non-Muslim as its President or Prime Minister.

-Show one Mullah or Maulvi who has declared a 'fatwa' against terrorists.

-Hindu-majority Maharashtra, Bihar, Kerala, Pondicherry , etc. have in the past elected Muslims as CM's, …..

Can you ever imagine a Hindu becoming the CM of Muslim - majority J&K?

-In 1947, when India was partitioned, the Hindu population in Pakistan was about 24% ….Today it is not even 1%.

-In 1947, the Hindu population in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) was 30% …. Today it is about 7%.
What happened to the missing Hindus?
Do Hindus have human rights?

-In contrast, in India, Muslim population has gone up from 10.4% in 1951 to about 14% today;
…whereas Hindu population has come down from 87.2% in 1951 to 85% in 1991.
Do you still think that Hindus are fundamentalists?

-In India today Hindus are 85%. If Hindus are intolerant, how come Masjids and madrasas are thriving?
How come Muslims are offering Namaz on the road?
How come Muslims are proclaiming 5 times a day on loud speakers that there is no God except Allah?

-When Hindus gave to Muslims 30% of Bharat for a song, why should Hindus now beg for their sacred places at Ayodhya, Mathura And Kashi?

-Why Gandhiji objected to the decision of the cabinet and insisted that Somnath Temple should be reconstructed out of public funds, not government funds. When in January 1948 he pressurized Nehru and Patel to carry on renovation of the Mosques of Delhi at government expenses?

-Why Gandhi supported Khilafat Movement (nothing to do with our freedom movement) and what he got in return.

-If Muslims & Christians are minorities in Maharashtra, UP, Bihar etc., are Hindus not minorities in J&K, Mizoram, Nagaland, Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya etc? Why are Hindus denied minority rights in these states?

-When Haj pilgrims are given a subsidy, why are Hindu pilgrims to Amarnath, Sabarimalai & Kailash Mansarovar taxed?

-When Christian and Muslim schools can teach the Bible and Quran,…. Why can't Hindus teach the Gita or Ramayan in our schools?

-Do you admit that Hindus do have problems that need to be recognized? Or do you think that those who call themselves Hindus are themselves The Problem?

-Why post - Godhra is blown out of proportion, when no-one talks of the ethnic cleansing of 4 lakh Hindus from Kashmir?

-Do you consider that - Sanskrit is communal and Urdu is secular, Mandir is Communal and Masjid is Secular, Sadhu is Communal and Imam is secular, BJP is communal and Muslim league is Secular, Dr.Praveen BhaiTogadia is ANTI-NATIONAL and Bhukari is Secular, VandeMatharam is communal and Allah-O-Akbar is secular, Shriman is communal and Mian is secular, Hinduism is Communal and Islam is Secular, Hindutva is communal and Jihadism is secular, and Bharat is communal and Italy is Secular?

-Why are Temple funds spent for the welfare of Muslims and Christians, when they are free to spend their money in any way they like?

-When uniforms are made compulsory for school children, why is there is no Uniform Civil Code for citizens?

-In what way is J&K different from Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu or Uttar Pradesh, to have Article 370?

-Abdul Rehman Antuley was made a trustee of the famous Siddhi Vinayak Temple in Prabhadevi, Mumbai ….Can a Hindu - say Mulayam or Laloo – ever become a trustee of a Masjid or Madrasa?

-Dr. Praveen bhai Togadia has been arrested many times on flimsy grounds.
Has the Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid, Delhi, Ahmed Bhukari been arrested for claiming to be an ISI agent and advocating the partition of Bharat?

-A Muslim President, A Hindu Prime Minister and a Christian Defence Minister run the affairs of the nation with a unity of purpose (BJP or NDA Govt) .

CAN ALL THIS HAPPEN IN ANY "MUSLIM" COUNTRY??

Anonymous said...

Tulang Besi Islam teaches you to manipulate the facts and figures....where the hell 30% muslim cm from ?

Serious Shepherd said...

Dear Tulang Besi,

I would like to disagree that human rights group did not condemn atrocities against Muslims. The Malaysia human rights group did not condemn the atrocities because other human rights group namely Human Rights Watch has already done the job.

For example, you can read their report on the Gujarat Massacre. The following is the second paragraph of the report from its summary:


In April 2002, Human Rights Watch released a 75-page report titled "We Have No Orders to Save You": State Complicity and Participation in Communal Violence in Gujarat. The report, based on investigations conducted in Ahmedabad in March 2002, revealed that the violence against Muslims was planned well in advance of the Godhra massacre and with extensive state participation and support. State officials of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), a Hindu nationalist party that also heads India's national coalition government, were directly involved in the attacks. In many cases, the police led the charge, killing Muslims who tried to block the mobs' advance. The violence was unprecedented in its organization and unmatched in its brutality in the state of Gujarat. Pregnant women's bellies were cut open and fetuses were pulled out before the women were killed. When a six-year-old boy asked for water, he was made to drink petrol. According to eyewitnesses, "A lit matchstick was then thrown inside his mouth and the child just blasted apart."

Anonymous said...

You should ask the Indian muslim to go to English schools not to Madrasah....who is going to give you a job after u got a degree in islamic studies...not in India...maybe they should try being a mamak in Malaysia?

Anonymous said...

"They only allow those of Jewish blood to get citizenship"

To me you have lost all credibility. Is that how a Muslim twist and manipulate facts?

I do admit there are discrimination against Arab Israeilis but to say Israel only grants citizenship to those Jewish blood is a blatant lie.

For heaven sake 20% of the citizens of Israel are Arabs!

Btw, who stopped the atrocities against the Bosnians who were Muslims? Muslim countries? Who was it that bombed the Serbs?

I'm sorry to say that by your action, you have cause me to lose respect for your religion.

shankar~selina said...

This EID period ... Why not all Muslims at the Haj stone the terrorist instead of the devil? That is more realistic.. That might send a message to the terrorists operating in the name of Islam

Anonymous said...

Everytime there is a condemnation of the evils done by Muslims fanatics, defensive Muslims will make an attemtp to divert the problem/topic to something else. The usual diversions are double standards, poverty, oppressions, etc.

From a psychological perspective, such a defensive mode is actually an indirect subconscious intent of condoning the violence itself.

A typical example is how some perverted father/mother who give all sort of excuses for their son's crime/violence and blaming others rather than acknowledging that their son is at fault. The son will continue (with subtle psychological support) to commit more serious crime and violence.

The appropriate action is to focus soley on why the violence (the act) that was initiated and condemn their actions outright unconditionally.

If there is any secondary reason, it should be dealt with specifically and separately.

TB, by mixing up the Mumbai inccident and Terrorism with all sort of indirect excuses, you are indirectly perpetrating violence.

Ever human on Earth must condemn unconditionally all sort of violence done/abused in the name of religion.

Religion should not be used as a shield for violence.

Any sort of violence should be dealt with accordingly as crime in a court of law.

Peace

Anonymous said...

TB. Let's face the fact that most terrorists are Muslims ( I still maintain that No. 1 terrorist is still G. Bush). In Mumbai, they hijact fishing boat, killed the fishermen, slit the throat of the captain and shot at public, laughing all the way. Seriously, who enjoy shooting at innocent people and the claim to do this in name of god?

Other races have been marginalised but do they go around killing innocent people? I have been marginalise but should I go around killing the fella who marginalised me?

Pakistan and Bangladesh already gotten so much land when India was cut into 3 countries. I cannot imagine Malaysia being cut into 2 countries.

I hope we can educate our young that acceptance, tolerance and love is the way forward, not conducting terrorist acts.

It is time Muslim leaders did something to stop all this terrorism by Muslim militants. Islamophobes and double standards are only reasons given to justify killings of innocents.

Anonymous said...

After reading your article …explain to me Why the poor Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists….not killing others in the name of marginality and why Muslims…

Anonymous said...

Well sad but true, most moderate muslims do support these terrorists. Thats the only reason why these attacks gain more momentum rather than dying out. No Ulama has come out an condemned any terrorist. They all remain quiet. Even in Darfur... Why no one is commenting on that?

There is a good reason for Islamophobia. Dont blame the Islamophobes but look into why there are Islamophobes, who created them?

Even in Malaysia, most muslims celebrate terrorist attacks. I remember very clearly when I told my Malay friends about the September 11 attacks and all they could say was "Padam Muka, Memang patut kena". I was horrified and disgusted how people could justify the killings of innocents.

Israel has done its fair share of disgusting atrocities but you fail to look when it did some good things as well in the name of piece. After the 2nd Arab-Israeli war, Israel gave back all conquered lands in the name of peace. Now what madness could have brought that? All Arabs however rather than compromise wants the whole destruction of Israel. They dont want a single Jew in Arab land. Now that is the real reason why the conflict will never come to an end. Like they say you cant clap with one hand!

Stop being a hypocrite!

Anonymous said...

The issue here according to you is terrorism is justified as you have been treated unjustly.This is your main point which you are articulating. Well, if all the people who are treated unjistly take up terrorism, then we will all see GOD earlier, since everyone of us, Moslems,Hindus, christians, buddists, jews, and any number of other denomination will soon perish from earth and there will be total peace on earth. There will be no god as mankind is gone once and for all. Eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.

Tulang Besi said...

err to those who doubts Israel's racism, allow me to quote a passage from the Law Of Return section of Wilkepedia:

"[edit] Eligibility requirements

Those who immigrate to Israel under the Law of Return are immediately entitled to citizenship. However, differences of opinion have arisen as to whether a person who claims citizenship under the Law of Return should be automatically registered as "Jewish" for census purposes. According to the halakhic definition, a person is Jewish if their mother is Jewish, or if he or she converts to Judaism. Charedi citizens of Israel generally do not recognized conversions performed by Reform or Conservative Judaism. However, the Law provides that any Jew regardless of affiliation may migrate to Israel and claim citizenship.

Originally, the Law of Return was restricted to Jews only. A 1970 amendment, however, stated that, "The rights of a Jew under this Law and the rights of an oleh under the Nationality Law... are also vested in a child and a grandchild of a Jew, the spouse of a Jew, the spouse of a child of a Jew and the spouse of a grandchild of a Jew".

So if a Palestinian were to emigrate back to their rightful homeland, they will not be granted citizenship.

Yet, this blatant racism is never condemned by Human Rights organization across the Western world.

Tulang Besi said...

As for the 20% of Arab decendents in Israel, they were leftover Arabs which Isreal did not managed to purge from Palestine.

Although they have citizenship, but their relatives outside of Israel will never get citizenship.

Plus, the Arabs are second class citizen in Israel and yes they are discriminated.

Tulang Besi said...

Blogger yatim said...

This is how a typical muslim reacts. He picks up various unrelated issues to justify the atrocities, killings, murders, rapes, cruelty and injustice committed by the muslim using the name of Islam.


Dear Yatim, can u provide examples of these atrocities u mention? And where is the proof that Muslims support such acts?

Fi-sha said...

i always believe the mumbai bombing has nothing to do with Pakistan - it being a muslim country. It has to do with conflict in Kashmir, India. Pls read this article about what's happening in Kashmir -http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/31/AR2008083102088.html

I thought these muslims bombers could be so heartless, i found about anti-christian attack in Orissa, India. Do read this too -http://indianchristians.in/news/content/view/2332/45/

I can conclude that all these happen when people are being deprived of their basic rights. It is not about religions.

I hope you people could read a book by malaysian Dr Ang Swee Chai, called "from beirut to jerusalem". See here -
http://thinking-mom.blogspot.com/2008/08/sabra-shatila-massacre-eyewitness.html

Perhaps, you could change your mind and have some respect on opinion by TB.

Tulang Besi said...

Anonymous said...

Well sad but true, most moderate muslims do support these terrorists. Thats the only reason why these attacks gain more momentum rather than dying out. No Ulama has come out an condemned any terrorist. They all remain quiet. Even in Darfur... Why no one is commenting on that?


As opposed to most Westerners supports the killings and robbing of innocent Muslims in Palestine, Iraq, Chechen, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Gujurat and many more.

It's ok to support those who kill innocent Muslims, is it?

And i thought all Muslims, including PAS has condemned the Mumbai incident.

What i am questioning now is the double standard of the Liberals and Islamophobes.

By condemn one thing but silent on another?

Tulang Besi said...

To those who question where is the fatwa from Mulla banning terrorism, let me ask you where is the edict from Hindu Religous bodies denouncing suicide bombings committed by the Tamil Tigers? Is there any?

Suicide bombings are committed by Hindus too you know.

Tulang Besi said...

I'd like to make a correction, the Muslim population of India is 13% and not 30%. It's a typo.

Tulang Besi said...

,But Muslims in Malaysia has not come out to condemn the atrocities in Mumbai, in SOuthern Thailand or anywhere else.

Actually, PAS has come out to condemn the Mumbai incident.

As for southern Thailand, maybe the Southern Thailand army can justify the endless killings of innocent Muslim minority there.

If you saw your mother or brother being killed in cold blood right in front of your eyes, you'd fight back wouldn't you.

Tulang Besi said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

TB. Let's face the fact that most terrorists are Muslims ( I still maintain that No. 1 terrorist is still G. Bush). In Mumbai, they hijact fishing boat, killed the fishermen, slit the throat of the captain and shot at public, laughing all the way. Seriously, who enjoy shooting at innocent people and the claim to do this in name of god?

So, you fell for the Western propaganda also.

Since when are freedom fighters considered terrorists?

Then we should call George Washington terrorist too.

Tulang Besi said...

Blogger shankar~selina said...

This EID period ... Why not all Muslims at the Haj stone the terrorist instead of the devil? That is more realistic.. That might send a message to the terrorists operating in the name of Islam


Maybe it's because the people u call terrorists are actually freedom fighters?

They are fighting for their rights and freedom to live?

Not to mention their right to exist.

Tulang Besi said...

Dear Serious Shepard,

When was the last time you heard a Human rights group condemning the atrocities committed by Israel against the Palestinians?

Tulang Besi said...

Anon says:
There is a good reason for Islamophobia. Dont blame the Islamophobes but look into why there are Islamophobes, who created them?

Even in Malaysia, most muslims celebrate terrorist attacks. I remember very clearly when I told my Malay friends about the September 11 attacks and all they could say was "Padam Muka, Memang patut kena". I was horrified and disgusted how people could justify the killings of innocents.


Let me ask you one question:

a. When was the last time you condemn Israel's atrocities against Palestinians?

b. The senseless killing of civilians by American surgical bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan

c. The senseless massacare of Muslims during the Gujarat incident?

d. The massacare of Madurese Muslims in Kalimantan by majority Dayak

e. The senseless killings on innocent Muslims in Southern Thailand

f. Killings and discrimination of Muslims in Philipines

and many more.

Anonymous said...

after reading ur artcle...all the Islamic terrorists in the world are freedom fingters.....

Tulang Besi said...

Are they? But most are if you ask me

Anonymous said...

I can understand the cries for justice, equality and freedom by oppressed peoples everywhere. But do the ends justify the means? Because of their strong beliefs, the Communists in China, Cambodia, Russia killed, tortured and enslaved millions of their own countrymen. Is violence the only means to a just society? Is vengeance the only way to justice: you kill my family, I kill yours? Truly, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, and the whole world will become blind and toothless... nay, we'll all be dead, and then there'll be perfect "peace".
Where is Mercy and Compassion?

vincent said...

what happened if your loved one is killed by 'freedom fighter'?

where is your compassion and mercy?

Fi-sha said...

dear anon,
if only we were in their shoes only then we understd why all these killings occured...

if you read the book from beirut to jerusalem, the girls strapped the bombs to their bodies and when they passed the guard post to go out from their refugee camp, the bombs exploded. You know why? During this chaotic moment, their loved ones who are still alive could cross over, get some foods, medicine etc.. What made them resort to such selfless action, God knows best.

Could we please stop pointing fingers? I believe TB's article is meant to make us ponder why it happened and we should realise that we should not do to others what we do not want others to do to us.

Serious Shepherd said...

Dear Tulang Besi,

You can read a report from HRW on Israel's collective punishment of demolishing homes here.

But to be honest, these human rights group are simply selective like our Majlis Fatwa.

Lat said...

Here we go, with your 1 sided bullshit again.

Time and time again, you only push yourself further down the path of stupidity.

Good on ya!

Fauzi said...

I would just like to point out that there is a very famous fatwa (based on the Shafi'i madhhab) on terrorism quite some time ago by Shaykh Muhammad Afifi Al-Akiti. In the fatwa, the talented Malaysian-born ulama clearly articulates the Islamic position on the issue based on principles of Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh) and shows without a doubt that killing of civilians and suicide attacks are not only haram (forbidden) but a grave sin according to Islam. You can view the fatwa here:

mac.abc.se/~onesr/d/dcmm_e.pdf

I think that the oppression, discrimination and massacre of many Muslims today are definitely real, but as a Muslim, I believe we must not act against the principles of our religion in any situation. I'm in no way denying the double standards in the international community but the ends do not justify the means (and have never been the case in our religion).

Suicide attacks are a new phenomenon in Islam and there is no precedent during the whole almost one and a half millenia of Muslim history.

I mean, think about it, if it is haram for a Muslim soldier to attack women soldiers (when they are clearly identifiable) unless first attacked by them, how can it be that bombing innocent civilian women and children be sanctioned?

Of course we feel the pain of Muslims who are the brunt of suffering around the world, but that doesn't justify killing civilians.

Remember, 2 wrongs do not make a right is also a maxim in our Sacred Law (syari'ah).

Tulang Besi said...

Dear Lat,

If you have no credible argument to make, then stop ridiculing yourself by making baseless generalization about me.

And for heaven sake, grow up. The world doesn't revolve around you.

Tulang Besi said...

Dear Serious Shepard,

Compare the West's attack on Islam and Muslim with their seemingly non existance attacks on Israeli atrocities.

Do you see the marked difference?

Serious Shepherd said...

Dear Tulang Besi,

What you are stating is as obvious as the shining sun during the day, and I cannot agree more with your statement.

Perhaps it is accurate to say that in the West, double standard is a standard practice.

shankar~selina said...

This EID period ... Why not all Muslims at the Haj stone the terrorist instead of the devil? That is more realistic.. That might send a message to the terrorists operating in the name of Islam

Maybe it's because the people u call terrorists are actually freedom fighters?

You also said:
Plus, the Arabs are second class citizen in Israel and yes they are discriminated.

Just like Indians and Chinese and the Orang Asli?

==========

The terrorists from Pakistan killing innocent folks in Mumbai are freedom fighters?

Tulang Besi said...

Blogger shankar~selina said...

This EID period ... Why not all Muslims at the Haj stone the terrorist instead of the devil? That is more realistic.. That might send a message to the terrorists operating in the name of Islam


Do you consider the US Military as the devil as well considering countless number of children, women, wedding attendees etc got disintegrated, burned, maimed, killed etc by their surgical bombings in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Or what about the daily lost of lives suffered by Palestinians at the hands of the Israeli Defense Forces?

I put it to you, that you do not consider these inhuman acts as terrorism, am i right?

It's always that when innocent Muslim blood is spilled, it's never terrorism.

But, when Muslims fight back, it's an act of terrorrism.

Go and ask the countless number of rape victims at the hands of the Indian Army in Kashmir. Ask them who the terrorist really are.

Tulang Besi said...

Dear Kesava,

TQ for quoting some exceptions to the rule in India, although most of the list of "goodness" u state are overrated or exegaration.

For instance, the dwindling of Hindu population in Bangladesh and Pakistan are mostly due to the massive migration during the creation of pakistan period where Hindus travel into India and Muslims goes to Pakistan.

What is a fact that cannot be denied is that in India, Muslims are discriminated and live their lives as lower than the lowest caste among the Hindus.

Please quote me the percentage of Muslims in universities, civil service, army, police etc in India.

Muslim participation in all these institution are pathetic as a direct result of systemic discrimination adopted by the Indian government.

One prime example is that with 13% of the population, their representation in the Indian Parliament is not more than 3%. Their representation in the Indian cabinet is more pathetic than any other minorities.

I dare u to quote these numbers. I have them but i'll let u quote them first.

Anonymous said...

It always amazes me how even educated muslims always justify act of terror against humanity. Anyway muslim minority ..problems. Muslims in Britain want syariah law for example. They know very well when they went there the er is no such thing. muslims always want parelal law to any country they live in. India is secular and most liberal. Which muslim coountry has had the president of another faith. Muslim countires always suppress other minority religions and impose their values.
TB you cannot compare Indian muslims life in India. There are as many Hindu poor in that country. They have muslims in police, sports even in Bollywood. ..can u say same about pakistan or bangadesh. That countries were created by muslims. They slaughtered non muslims and made sure the Hindus there will convert or descriminated to the max. In India they get even constituitional rights even get allowance for Haj.
Can u mention one muslim country doing that to non muslims.
TB do proper home work before talking about the 'poor muslims' brothers. Nothing can justify killing of innocent civilian. It shows that muslims are terrorist without 'balls' .
Islamophobia is caused by muslims and you are right...u are also one that causes that! Congrats

Tulang Besi said...

,Which muslim coountry has had the president of another faith. Muslim countires always suppress other minority religions and impose their values.,

I think it's Lebanon. they have a Christian president.

Tulang Besi said...

The truth is no one supports the action taken by terrorist in Mumbai.

My entire article questions the double standard stand taken by most people when it comes to terrorism.

when it is oppressed Muslims who commits them, everyone will shout at the top of their voice condemning it.

But when the terrorists are the US Army or the Israeli Defence forces, who killed innocent women and children in Iraq, Afghanistan,Palestine etc?

Or where are these voices when innocent Muslims are massacared in kashmir, Southern Thailand, Burma, India (gujurat), Lebanon, Maluku etc.

There is just deafening silence from the same people who comes out in arms protesting islamic terrorism.

This to me is double standard of the highest degree and such hypocrisy deserves utmost condemnation.

Are innocent Muslim blood means lesser than non Muslims

The Mumbai incident is a tit for tat for all the atrocities committed by the Indian army in kashmir.

Nonetheless, the average Indians in Mumbai are innocent and should not be subjected to the revene sought by the Mumbai perpetrators.

But, then again, desperate people will resort to desperate measure.

Put ourselves in their shoes. Would we resort to such acts if our sisters, mothers, daugthers are raped right in front of our eyes? would we do such thing if our children are shot in cold blood.

That's also the reason why some of the Palestinian suicide bombers are Christians.

At the end of the day, it's not about terrorism. It's merely an act of revenge.

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