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Tuesday, December 30, 2008

When Israel Bombs and Kills Civilians, It's Not Terrorism?


Gaza is now under-siege and under constant barrage of Israeli artillery and heavy weapon fire. Not to mention lethal and indiscriminate airstrikes which almost surely will claim and already claimed numerous innocent lives. And the world just sits and watch as Israel release their massive firepower (courtesy of USA military industrial complex) on innocent women and children.


The sad thing is, and it's more of a double standard if you ask me, the world and especially Malaysians, was more voiceferous during the Mumbai terrorist strike as compared to what the Israelis are doing right now. There is very little condemnation coming from the various Human Rights groups as well. In fact there is hardly any worth mentioning.

The various liberal and human right and feminists group based in Washington DC and New York has remained silent in the wake of civilian massacare currently undertaken by the Israelis. I guess when it comes to Israel, the Human Rights charters does not apply. But when it comes to scholars of Islam, the full letter of the Human Rights charter is relevant.

The other sad part is anyone who highlights this fact is also deemed as sympathizers of terrorism. In order to avoid being labeled a terrorist sympathizer, one must remain silent to atrocities committed by the Western powers and not to mention Israel.

One must remain a constant hater of Muslims trying to defend themselves form israeli atrocities just to avoid being accused of being a terrorist sympathizer.

Israel is Very Good At Raising Sympathy

The average public is not to be blamed either for having such double standard in their view of terrorism. The reason for being so, is that Israel is good at raising sympathies.

For example, back in the 1970s there was a Neo Nazi rally held in Chicago that had sparked a lot of sympathy for Israel in America. After 20 years it turned out the leader of the Neo Nazi plus organizer was himself of Jewish decendent. He is so Jewish that he qualifies to receive Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return.

Another is the story of 6 million Jews being killed by the Nazis. The trouble with this story is that more people died in the hands of the Russians as compared to the Jews. Yet, to date people only remembered the Jews and no one cares about the Ukrainian, Azeris, Chechens, Cossacks etc whom was massacared by the Russians.

Another example is their story of Palestine being their land and that they have been denied of a state for thousands of years. What is never mentioned is that the Jewish people have abandoned Israel since they were enslaved by the Nebucenassar. Twice they had the chance to return to Israel but they refused.

Plus, 90% of Jews in Israel are Ashkenazi which means they originated from Khazaria, an area in Georgia. They have no relations to the Jews mentioned in the Bible or the Quran. They are totally different people altogether.

They also go around the world saying that they are discriminated. But in truth Israel is the most racist state in the world. They are the last Apartheid state still in existence.

They are the most racists people on earth but they make racism a crime to others that is not of Jewish blood.

So there are so many inconsistencies and double standard when it comes to sympathizing with them.

But, we all tend to forget that.

Tulang Besi



46 comments:

Anonymous said...

I don't pretend to be an expert in this issue. However, it is best for Israel and Palestine to go back to the negotiation table.

Either side can throw hand grenade at each other but this will not solve the problem.

Mike

vinnan said...

Zionist beat up Palestinians for electoral gains. Malays beat up non-Malays for electoral gains. Same racist, same supremacist. What's the difference?

Anonymous said...

You have such a typical (islamic) simplistic view of the the complex Israeli-Palestinian problem.

Its always Israel the "bad guy", Palestinian the "good guy".

Well, your "good guys" shoot Katusha rockets & motars from Gaza school into Israeli civilian areas. Your "good guys" ambush Israeli school buses & kill school children. Your "good guys" bombs markets, killing & injuring civilians.

So, you expect Israel to sit on its ass doing nothing while your "good guys" cont. to kill both Israeli & Arabs civilians.

Your "good guys" have a history of killing innocent civilians. Just read up on the Palestinian terrorist organizations such as PFLP, Black September, PLO, PLF, Jihad, Hamas, Fatah.

Then read up on the 1972 Munich Olympic massacre, the plane hijackings of the 70's, the Achille Lauro, the killings in Judea, Samaria (West Bank) & Gaza strip.

Tulang Besi said...



Well, your "good guys" shoot Katusha rockets & motars from Gaza school into Israeli civilian areas. Your "good guys" ambush Israeli school buses & kill school children. Your "good guys" bombs markets, killing & injuring civilians.


The katyushas are not necessary if the Israeli lands are are not ill gotten.

or if Palestinians in Gaza are not treated like prisoners. Haven't you heard. Gaza is the new prison for 1.1 million Palestinians

Their crime? For exercising their democratic rights and refusing to elect Israeli puppets aka Fath

Navi said...

Looks like another of US initiated attempt to boost their sales of arms and hence enrich their economy.
Disappointing too is Obama's non committal on the savage attack against the Hamas.
Our government should come out with a stronger condemnation of Isreal's aggression. Meanwhile the other Palestinians and Arabs decide to keep mum.

Anonymous said...

Malays beat up non-Malays for electoral gains. Same racist, same supremacist. What's the difference?

Oh really?So who murdered Sujatha?Stop behaving like a stupid moron!!!Indians are indian's worst enemy!!..when it comes to money,hah,tongue,saliva will pour out!! Gt info that that Vell pari a/l samy vellu paid u huge sum of money to manikavasgam in singapore..

Anonymous said...

Pacifying gaza by Ran Hacohen

Defense Minister Ehud Barak (the Hebrew surname means "lightning," German "Blitz") did it again: a historic record of over 200 Palestinians killed in a single Sabbath's blitz (Dec. 27). Polls now predict five additional Knesset seats for his Labor Party in the coming February general election. That's 40 Palestinian corpses per seat. No wonder he promises it's just the beginning: at this pace, it will take Labor just about two thousand additional corpses to go from rags to riches, from a dead political party to an absolute majority in parliament like in the good old days. For Barak, then, the Gaza obituaries are a matter of political survival: they are pasted up on his party's obituary. A similar sickening logic sent former Prime Minister Shimon Peres (Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, etc., etc.) back in 1996 to devastate southern Lebanon and solve the problem of Hezbollah once-and-for-all in Operation Grapes of Wrath, just weeks before the general election – in which he was defeated by Netanyahu. When the so-called doves behave like hawks, the voters prefer the real hawks, following the Talmudic saying "Whatever looks like an egg, a true egg is always better." But warriors like Barak never learn.

And they are not alone in that: just two days before the pounding of Gaza started, it was the allegedly "left-liberal" party Meretz that officially called for military action against Hamas. You know Meretz: the party of (Frankfurt Peace Prize Laureate, etc., etc.) Amos Oz and his ilk, those pseudo-intellectuals who always claim to have been against the previous war. No exception this time: they're all there, right behind the bombers, or even ahead of them.


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Over 200 corpses lying in open air behind Gaza's hospital, which – after more than a year of Israel's blockade – cannot offer patients anything but painkillers anyway. Guess what was the headline of Israel's most popular daily, Yediot Ahronoth, the next day. "One and a Half Million Gazans Under Fire"? Close, but no cigar. The actual headline (Dec. 28) read: "Half a Million Israelis Under Fire." Indeed, a single Israeli civilian had been killed that day by a Hamas rocket. Similarly, journalist Avirama Golan in her Ha'aretz blog devoted a whole post to the agonies of her hysterical pussycat in Sderot. Some journalists, especially those who consider themselves critical, are excellent prioritizers.

Yediot Ahronoth had six columnists on its front page and several more inside. The war's cheerleaders. Nahum Barnea, an over-appreciated "critical" journalist, expressed his view about the bloodbath rather succinctly: "better late than never." Dov Weissglass, "closely linked to the peace process" as Wikipedia puts it, was similarly outspoken: his column was called "Do Not Stop," with an exclamation mark to make things clear. "It should be just the beginning," he advises to the very government that has just vowed "it's just the beginning." Mirror, mirror on the wall. Eitan Haber, senior aide to late former Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin (Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, etc., etc.), recycled the usual war propaganda of every Israeli government for home consumption: as always, the right-wing opposition is extremist and crazy, but we, the government, launch a moderate, responsible, and restrained war. "The political argument that we could have and should have acted long ago is neither true nor justified," Haber opens his Pavlovian service for the government.

Gadi Taub, an ultra-conservative young mainstreamer, wrote a column titled "Demagoguery, Anti-Semitism, Ignorance," with content too trivial to repeat, though fairly summarized by its first and last title-words. But Taub's demagoguery fades compared to Ben-Dror Yemini's (an Israeli Daniel Pipes) in Ma'ariv. In a column titled "The Most Justified Offensive Ever" (miraculously, the very words used by his Ha'aretz twin Ari Shavit for the Lebanon War just two years ago), Yemini draws a straight line from Hitler to Hamas (no coincidence they both start with an H, just like Hezbollah, Saddam Hussein, and Hemorrhoids), and explains that "Since the Nazi ideology […], no movement has been as dangerous to world peace as political Islam." My apologies for quoting this trash; we need an Israeli demagogue to instrumentalize the Holocaust, and Yemini was born for such dirty jobs.

Anonymous said...

At the same time, excellent columnist B. Michael does raise a critical voice in Yediot:

"Here it is again, the periodical 'déjà vu' war. The ritual bleeding poured once again into the boiling basin which has for decades been leading the entire region to hell. To be honest, our soul is weary of dividing the seventh-day's war of the Six-Day War into 'operations,' 'wars,' 'battles,' 'actions,' and 'offensives.' They are all just one ongoing war. They are all one big slaughterhouse. An occupier's war against the occupied, and the occupied's war against their occupier."

B. Michael knows what most Israelis were trained to forget: that despite the Israeli withdrawal, Gaza is still occupied. Even before the Hamas takeover, Israel retained all the measures to ensure its effective control of the Strip: from direct control of all the border crossings to Gaza, both for goods and for persons, to Israeli control of Gaza's population registry. The only apparent exception – the Rafah checkpoint – is restricted to entry into Gaza of Gaza inhabitants only, as defined by the Israeli registry, and even this is under Israeli supervision. But for most Israelis, Gaza is an independent, sovereign empire, which was occupied by Israel ages ago, and now, for no reason at all, poses an existential threat to its benevolent Jewish neighbor.


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In the evening television news, careful listening – especially to serious reporters like Shlomi Eldar – could reveal the tip of the war-crimes iceberg yet to emerge: a Gazan prison was intentionally bombarded, a clear war crime. Gaza's hospital suffered damages too. All this in an overcrowded Strip in which life has already been strangled by an embargo on anything from cement and gasoline to medical equipment. A couple of months ago, journalist Amos Harel quoted an article of a leading military figure regarding Israel's next war policy, be it in Lebanon, Syria, or Gaza: "Using power without any proportion to the enemy's threat and actions, in order to damage and punish to an extent that would require long and expensive rehabilitation processes." Another Israeli general explained that villages from which shots are fired will be devastated; "we consider them as military bases" (Ha'aretz, Oct. 5; the names of the two generals – for The Hague's ICC – are Gaby Siboni and Gadi Eisenkot). Once the war started, Maj.-Gen. (Reserve) Giora Island – former head of the National Security Council – spelled it all out on television, without a shade of shame: Israel should not confine its attacks to military facilities, he said, but must hit civilian targets as well. The damage to the civil population should be maximized, because the worse the humanitarian crisis is, the better and the sooner the operation would end. It's the same major-general, by the way, who just a year ago caused outrage by urging the Israeli government to negotiate directly with Hamas. Do not to look for consistency, integrity, or intelligence where war criminals are involved.

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Anonymous said...

Israeel's Constant Crisis by Justin raimondo

Israel's Constant Crisis
It's a survival mechanism
by Justin Raimondo
As the Israelis continue to pound Gaza, killing Hamas cadre, traffic cops, and civilians alike, Americans shake their heads and wonder: why can't they all just get along? Why must we be involved? The answer to both questions lies in understanding the peculiar nature of the Israeli state and its "special relationship" to the West, specifically the U.S.

Defenders of the Israeli government and its policies often complain that Israel just wants to be treated as a "normal country," like any other. They cavil that the Jewish state is treated like an outsider, a pariah, and held up to standards that don't apply anywhere else. The big problem for these complainants, however, is that Israel is not a normal country, and never has been.

From the day of its birth, Israel has been a Western project, a unique creation of European ideologues whose vision of a Jewish state was rooted in myth, custom, and remembrance, rather than blood and soil. Israel owes its existence to theology rather than geography, and in this it occupies a singular place in the history of nations. The only other comparable state is, or was, the old Soviet Union, which was founded as the receptacle for Leninist ideology, but even here the analogy isn't quite exact, for the simple reason that Russia preexisted the USSR by several centuries, and Russian nationalism soon came to dominate and overwhelm the ostensibly "internationalist" Kremlin leadership.

As a settler colony rather than a rooted nation, Israel's always precarious existence is made possible by an extensive international support system that exists entirely outside the Middle East. In the beginning, it was the Zionist movement itself that provided the outside material aid that nurtured and grew this nascent nation. That, however, was not enough to provide the sustenance Israel needed to come into existence and survive in a very rough neighborhood, so it was the British empire that presided over its birth. The Balfour Declaration provided the semi-legal basis for the existence of an independent Jewish state in the area known as Palestine.

The British, however, had neither the resources nor the inclination to act as Israel's permanent sponsor and protector, and this role eventually fell to the United States. Without U.S. aid, including unconditional military and political support, Israel could not exist for long. Over the years, it has evolved its own characteristic means of survival, which is analogous to that of an epiphyte – a plant that, rather than rooting in its own soil, grows on other plants.

Anonymous said...

Because Israel is almost entirely dependent on international support – and especially American support – for its very survival, without U.S. public opinion behind it the Jewish state would soon wither on the vine. What this means, in practice, is that a constant stream of pro-Israel propaganda must be directed at the American people in order to justify the high levels of financial and military aid that keep Israel afloat. What's more, the Israelis must constantly generate the urgency and immediacy of the need to support their country. They have succeeded in doing this by projecting a sense of continuing crisis. The idea that Israel is in danger, that unless we ship billions more in taxpayer dollars the Israeli state will sink beneath the waves of an unrelenting Arab assault, is constantly being pushed – and we wonder why the "peace process" is perpetually stalled.

Given the need for a constant crisis, all efforts to mediate a peaceful settlement of the Palestinian question are doomed to utter failure. The Israelis simply have no interest in peace, when war suits their purposes so well. Indeed, when things get too peaceful, they have every interest in stirring things up. Once more, Israel is supposedly fighting for its life – so please keep those aid packages coming, to the tune of over $3 billion per year!

Another aspect of this epiphytic survival strategy involves the large-scale theft of military and other classified secrets, mainly from the U.S., as illustrated by the arrest of Jonathan Pollard, and, more recently, his fellow spy Ben Ami Kadish. U.S. intelligence agencies have long characterized Israel as the most aggressive procurer of illicit technology transfers, and the case of Kadish – who stole nuclear secrets, missile defense technology, and other high-tech weapon designs – underscores this sensitive yet largely ignored aspect of the "special relationship."

Yet it isn't just technological secrets that the Israelis are interested in pilfering from their American big brothers: due to their dependence on the decisions and actions of our policymakers, they also require an extensive knowledge of the inner workings of the U.S. government. That's what the case of the AIPAC defendants is all about.

Anonymous said...

While Kadish recently pled guilty to charges of espionage, the AIPAC defendants – Steve Rosen, former AIPAC lobbying director, and Keith Weissman, who used to be AIPAC's Iran expert – are fighting the charges. They are accused of pilfering not only military-related intelligence, but also U.S. government documents revealing the internal policy debates within the administration, especially U.S. policy toward Iran. Their defense
team argues that the Justice Department, in prosecuting their clients, is criminalizing what ought to be considered legitimate lobbying and advocacy. One has to wonder, however, what kind of "advocacy" requires the theft [.pdf] of highly sensitive and classified materials and their transmission to officials of a foreign government.

Yet, from the Israeli perspective, this is entirely legitimate, given their peculiar national survival strategy. An epiphyte, after all, depends on its host. The host, however, may have other ideas – and that's where the extensive Israeli penetration of U.S. governmental and opinion-making institutions comes in. John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt have done us all a service is providing a comprehensive survey of this effort and its astounding success, and we are seeing this play out in the political responses to the Gaza massacre, with both major political parties, as well as the incoming president and the bulk of the media, playing right along with the Israeli propaganda machine.

Until and unless the peculiarities of the "special relationship" are untangled and the cord cut, Israel will continue to rampage throughout the Middle East. The most recent Gaza massacre is only the beginning.

Anonymous said...

The politics of gaza massacre by justin raimondo




The Politics of the Gaza Massacre
Forget Hamas - it's all about the home front
by Justin Raimondo
If you're looking for the cause of the most recent Israeli aggression against the Palestinians – over 300 killed so far, and many more wounded – forget Hamas. The real casus belli is politics, in Israel and America.

On the Israeli front, elections loom large. The current Israeli government is enormously unpopular, and – with polls showing a massive swing to the right – this latest "incursion" is its last attempt to shore up their sagging power base. The rightist surge in Israel has been building for a long time, with the settler movement gaining momentum and the Likud Party likely the chief beneficiary – in which case there will be no chance of a peaceful settlement of the Palestinian question, no matter how evenhanded President Barack Obama turns out to be.

Speaking of Obama, the real focal point of the Israeli assault isn't Gaza – it's Washington, D.C. The whole point of this exercise in futility – which will not create a single iota of security for Israel, will not topple Hamas, and will not prove any more successful than the second Lebanese war – is to set the terms by which the Israelis will deal with the incoming U.S. president. Before he even gets a chance to appoint his Middle East team, his special envoys and advisers, the Israelis will have sabotaged the peace effort they can clearly see coming – and put the Americans on notice that whatever "change" is in the air will have to be to Israel's advantage. In short, the Gaza massacre is a preemptive strike against the prospect of American intervention on the Palestinians' behalf, or, at least, a more evenhanded policy framework.

I won't bother answering the "talking points" of Israel's powerful lobby in the U.S. – the Palestinians are terrorists, they deserved what they got, those missile barrages fired in recent weeks (in which not a single Israeli was killed) were ample provocation, etc. The whole world knows that none of these have anything to do with the latest Israeli military action.

Anonymous said...

The entire operation is, instead, part and parcel of a long-standing concerted campaign by the Israeli government to further marginalize and drive out the remnants of the Palestinian people who still cling tenaciously to what's left of their land. It is a policy of military and economic warfare, aimed at making life impossible for the Palestinian helots.

As the new Sparta of the Middle East runs roughshod over the laws of morality and basic human decency, Israel's amen corner in the U.S. is going into overdrive in an effort to prettify one of the ugliest incidents in a decade of unmitigated cruelty and brutality. All the familiar "progressive" voices – with certain sterling exceptions – are suddenly stilled: we hear nothing from our Democratic politicians, those fabled agents of "change," except expressions of support for Israel's war crimes. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi declares that Israel has "the right to defend itself," without deigning to inform us as to whether the Palestinians have the same right. Given her record as AIPAC's most reliable congressional ally, who can always be counted on to echo the Israel-first party line, one assumes not. Powerful foreign affairs committee chair Howard Berman concurs, as does our about-to-be-sworn-in chief executive.

Appearing on Face the Nation, Obama's chief adviser, David Axelrod, averred that "we have only one president at a time" – a consideration that hasn't stopped the world's most famous community organizer from publicly organizing the biggest raid on the U.S. Treasury in American history. In any case, as the Huffington Post put it, Axelrod "did reaffirm Obama's commitment to the 'special relationship between the United States and Israel' in a way that suggested general sympathy for the Jewish state's actions."

For all those hysterical ultra-Zionists in both Israel and the U.S. who thought Obama's election would be disastrous to the Zionist project, and their own efforts to expand it beyond its historic borders, let this be an object lesson in the danger of jumping to unwarranted conclusions. If they'd listened before they jumped – or paid attention to what they read on Antiwar.com – they would have realized how utterly misplaced their paranoia would turn out to be. Obama has been in the Israel Lobby's back pocket from the beginning, as his speech to AIPAC – a masterstroke of groveling – made all too clear.

Anonymous said...

Like all U.S. presidents since Bush the Elder, this one is committed to maintaining and elaborating on our Israel-centric Middle East policy, of which the Iraq war was only the most dramatic chapter. Obama may have opposed that particular war, but he will do nothing to reverse its consequences, the most dramatic of which appears to be the unleashing of the Israeli military machine on the region. First it was Lebanon, followed by the buzzing of Syrian airspace and the bombing of an alleged "nuclear facility" that turned out to be an ordinary weapons dump. Now we have the end of "disengagement" in Gaza and the opening up of a new front in Israel's relentless war of expansion.

It is a war that has been financed by U.S. tax dollars and fought with American weapons, with the active collaboration and support of our government. We have paid for the radical expansion of the Israeli "settlements" by armed bands of ultra-nationalist fanatics, Israel's version of the Taliban. Indeed, Israeli opinion is moving rapidly in the radicals' direction, and the victory of Benjamin Netanyahu and the far-right Likud Party in the upcoming election is virtually assured – with even more extreme elements waiting in the wings for their moment.

As the leaders of a settler colony implanted in the midst of Arab lands, the founders of the Israeli state were faced with a conundrum from the very start. No matter how enlightened and progressive the early settlers considered themselves, they could not escape their status as unwanted interlopers, the advance guard of what was essentially a foreign invasion. Living in their utopian kibbutzes and thinking they were constructing an egalitarian paradise, what they were really building was a rigidly hierarchical society, a caste system with the settlers and their descendants at the top, arranged in tiers according to their origins in the "diaspora," with the Palestinians at the very bottom – a displaced underclass forcibly segregated and routinely subjected to Israeli state violence.

Like a caged

Anonymous said...

Like a caged lion, grievously wounded, which nevertheless manages to roar and occasionally strike out – however ineffectually – at its tormentors, the Palestinian people are unbowed.

The Israelis – and the U.S. – rail against Hamas as a gang of terrorists, yet most of the governments of the region started out as "terrorist" gangs. Two were called the Irgun and the Haganah, the revolutionary movements that carried out attacks on civilians, including the British as well as the Arabs, in their battle to establish the state of Israel. Hamas will do no more, and no less, in their bid to establish a Palestinian state.

If nothing else, this fresh paroxysm of Israeli aggression ought to debunk, once and for all, the neocon talking point that democracies never go to war with each other. Yet here we have a country that styles itself an island of Western-style liberalism in a sea of Oriental despotism going to war with the only other democratically elected government in the immediate vicinity. Whatever the military outcome of the present conflict – in all likelihood a stalemate – this is a big political victory for Hamas, which ordinary Palestinians see actively defending them against the rampaging Israelis. The moderates on the West Bank are undercut, once again, and that has always been the Israeli strategy.

Their first target was the decidedly secular Palestine Liberation Organization, which they did everything to destroy and undercut – even to the point of providing legal status and covert funding to Hamas. These followers of radical Islamist preachers began as a religious association, formally registered with the Israeli authorities. Hamas was encouraged as a potentially more compliant competitor with the PLO. Another case of blowback, with a vengeance.

Having given birth to the monster of Hamas, the mutant offspring of occupation and dispossession, the Israelis will be forgiven if they refuse to acknowledge the family resemblance. Yet it is unmistakable. Both Israel and Hamas-stan are the spawn of religious and ethnic exclusivism and messianism, their leaders fanatics armed with state power. There are differences, of course, a major one being that one side is funded to the tune of $3 billion a year and supported unconditionally by Washington, while the Palestinians – shot at by their fellow Arabs as they try to cross the border into Egypt – stand pretty much alone.

Anonymous said...

This latest bloody chapter in the tragic history of the region is being written because all the main protagonists benefit: the Israelis, Hamas, and radicals of all stripes, especially those groups aligned with al-Qaeda. As in the case of the Iraq war, bin Laden's narrative of an Israeli-Crusader invasion intent on stamping out Islam is seemingly verified as blood flows freely in the streets of Gaza.

The Israeli rampage is not in our interests, and the longer it continues the more it threatens the already tenuous position of U.S. troops in Iraq, endangering them by inflaming the local populace, which is vehemently pro-Palestinian. The Israeli blitz is sending shockwaves through the region that could upset several apple-carts of U.S. construction, including the regime in Egypt, the pro-U.S. Jordanian monarchy, and especially our rambunctious Iraqi protectorate, where anti-U.S. sentiment is not so quietly building.

Quite naturally, the Israelis care not a fig for any of this. That's what's so "special" about the much-vaunted "special relationship" between Israel and the U.S., in which Uncle Sam plays the part of the henpecked husband who always gives in to the demands of his battle-ax of a wife, no matter how extravagant or unreasonable.

If American interests in the region are to be served, then this unhealthy relationship has to change. Yet it won't change until and unless the political power of the Israel Lobby is broken on the home front. If it takes the prospect of World War III to bring us to that point, it will be far too high a price to pay – yet one that seems increasingly unavoidable.

~ Justin Raimondo

Ron Paul should be pres of USA said...

this is comment from Matt875 of Monroe twonship New jersey US in the campaignforliberty.com regarding us policy on palestine and israel.

"Very well said Ron I agree 100%.... Also Gaza strip and the West Bank should not have Israeli settlements being built everyday its against every "Peace agreement" Israel ever signed! People would laugh if the Palestinians wanted to go inside Israel and knock down Israeli homes and make Palestinian settlements in their place. Theyd have a "death wish" if they even thought to try that. We weren't wrong when we fought against the British settlements here in America and I dont think the Palestinians are wrong for fighting against Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza strip. They also have Lebanon and the Palestinian land under occupation. That being said, I also believe Israel has the right to exist but doing things in the same way as the US is certainly not going to help their economy and I hope they have learned from our mistakes. We are giving Israel millions of dollars a year and it is one of the reasons why our economy is failing. I also (agree with Penny Worth) we are also giving millions of dollars a year to Saudi Arabia and Egypt yet another blow to our economy. Our economy can't take much more of this spending and of printing money out of thin air that is not backed by gold or silver. We should NOT BE OVER THERE let then solve their own problems and we should not be giving ANY of them all this money! STOP SPENDING MONEY!!

original post is here http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=1301

Anonymous said...

Tulang Besi, if Pkistan is attacked by india due to pakistan's constant breeding of terrorist, who you will support. Surely pakistan Not because they are right but because they are Muslims.
You Muslims must have proper sence of justice and human values. All human race got problems. Muslims support theirs only Muslim brothers with weapons. They don't imrove their lives by making positive contributions but by war and terror.
Ya poor munupulated muslims...but thy are rich with oil.
How come you guys don't worry about darfur, Somails etc? Is their blood not as valuable as Arab muslims?

Anonymous said...

Wow! It seems like only 'muslim' countries breed terrorists! Go and read some more before you shoot yourself in the foot la.

How would you answer these if a Palestinian were to ask you:
If someone chases you out of your house today and lock you out, you will only look at that someone eh? Don't you want back your house? How about your pride? That doesn't matter too? How about when your family and children are killed in front of your eyes? You will not retaliate?
Maybe it is so easy to say things from a distance when it doesn't happen to us.

Anonymous said...

what if the Malay government of Malaysia invited Malays of Sri Lanka, South Africa and any other countries to come to Malaysia under "the rights to return", just like what the Jewish state practiced.

And then these people are to stay on the kampung baru that previously belongs to the non-Malays.

when we talk about hudud they say it's archaic law. Well, "the rights to return" as practiced by the Jewish state was based on scriptures aged 2,000 years. And that's no archaic.

Anonymous said...

Dear Anony you said ....." if Pkistan is attacked by india due to pakistan's constant breeding of terrorist, who you will support. Surely pakistan Not because they are right but because they are Muslims" Here I would like to conclude that All Santa Claus are terrorist and all christian support it ??? Do you agree with me since the Santa Claus killed innocent people in US recently during Christmas. We muslim tak suka kacau orang. In Malaysia do you read any articles in newspaper (especially harakah) condem non muslim for eating pork or sembahyang pakai colok or Paderi tak kahwin ? But here you can easily find that people like you simply condem our religion said arguing fatwa on yoga, hudud is barbaric law eventhough that got nothing to do with you ! Use your brain to think la !!! People can accept Financial Islamic Model but why can't they accept hudud as law ? Both are came from the same sources Al- Quran and Al-Hadith.

Anonymous said...

Despite It's Military Might, Israel is a Weak and Dying State
The Self-Defense of Suicide
By OREN BEN-DOR

Echoing Lebanon 2006, the people of Gaza are being butchered by murderous pilots of a murderous state. Ground forces will soon butcher many more. This widely-expected repetition of Israel’s large scale violence is carried out after a long process that was triggered when Israel unilaterally cleared its settlements and ground presence from Gaza only to create what has been described as a remote-controlled human zoo. Israel has maintained total control over Gaza’s borders, its air and sea space, its economy, its electricity, food and medical supplies. The people of Gaza have been starved, humiliated and constantly intimidated. However, whether the withdrawal was well-intended or not engages little with the reasons rockets are being defiantly shot at the Israeli towns of Sderot, Ashkelon and Beer Sheva.

Beyond achieving very short term relief from rocket attacks the scale of Israel’s violence is question-begging and thought provoking. Israel’s actions, justified by the “no choice” (ein brera) and “self-defence” rhetoric, can temporarily put the lid on the volcano of hatred around Israel and within it but, after the initial shock and awe, it is surely destined to bring much more violence.

Assassinating individual members of Hamas, even toppling the organisation, destroying its infrastructure and buildings, will not destroy the legitimate opposition to the arrogant and self-righteous Zionist entity. No army, however well equipped and trained, can win a combat against increasing number of people who no longer have any reason to care about dying. If there was hatred against Israelis before the Gaza massacre, the hatred after it will be of a different order of magnitude.

Given the sure failure of attempts to bring about stability through violence, intimidation, starvation and humiliation, what, on earth, is the desire that moves the Israeli state? What, do Israelis imagine, will be achieved by this massacre? There must be something which is suppressed here. There must be, for Israelis, some being and thinking which is preserved, indeed defended, by the pathology of provoking a permanent state of violence against them. What kind of self-righteousness conditions this self-destructive desire to be hated?

Anonymous said...

Gaza itself gives us a clue. Many of the Palestinians who live in Gaza are descendants of 750000 refugees who were expelled in 1948 from what is now the Jewish state. Ashkelon is built on the ruins of the Palestinian village of al-Majdal whose people were expelled in 1948, many to Gaza. Only by such massive ethnic cleansing could a state with a Jewish majority and character be established. Any just realisation of the refugees’ internationally recognised right of return would effectively mean the end of the Zionist project. Those who choose to return would not merely threaten the Jewish majority. Upon return, they would surely press demands for equal citizenship. In so doing, they would challenge the foundational discriminatory premise of the Jewish state, which assigns a different stake in the state to all those who pass a test of Jewishness, whether they live in the country or elsewhere. Thus, for the same reason that Israel discriminates against its own non-Jewish Arab citizens, it will prevent the return of the refugees.

The proliferation and dominance of the self-defence discourse and its by-product - the uncritical acceptance of the legitimacy of the Israeli state - successfully hide the fact that Israel itself is an apartheid state which is based on an apartheid (separation) premise. In the name of this apartheid premise, occupation, dispossession and discrimination affected all Palestinians whether in Gaza, the West Bank, in Israel itself or indeed all over the world.

Thus, what is in fact being “preserved” is the unwillingness, or rather the inability, of Israelis to question their own state’s apartheid foundation. The concealing mantra about Hamas’s rocket firing versus Israel’s legitimate self-defence cynically conscripts both the Palestinians of Gaza and the Israelis of Sderot. Shielding the Jewish state’s unwillingness to deal with colonial and racist Zionism is more important than all of them.

Accepting the right of Israel to securely exist as a Jewish state has now become the bench mark for political moderation. Obama is already singing the song. Egalitarian anti-Zionists who challenge that right readily fail the test. This anti-Zionist voice is inclusive and moderate. It insists that injustices to Palestinians stem from the very premise of statehood that Israel is based on. Injustices to Palestinians encompass the whole of historic Palestine in a way which cannot be partitioned so that they become visible only in the territories, including Gaza, which Israel occupied in 1967. Let us, then, break the idle chatter about self-defence that merely levels “criticisms” against Israel but by that legitimises it: the origin of the violence in Gaza is intimately linked to the manner the Israeli state came into being and to the continuing toleration of the apartheid premise at its very essence. Israel should not be “reformed” or “condemned” but replaced with a single egalitarian structure over all historic Palestine.

Anonymous said...

Israel needs a continuing cycle of violence. As long as this cycle is provoked through daily oppression, Israelis can sustain that haven in which they can unite behind their inability to examine their apartheid mentality. Violence maintains a zone in which that existential threat of old stifles any possibility for genuine empathy and egalitarian self-reflection. At the same time, violence is a necessary means for entrenching the purported legitimacy of what is claimed to be the only alternative to this violence. That alternative is no other than the “surprisingly” failing, “sane”, “reasonable” and “moderate” “peace process” towards two states, a process which aims to legitimise the apartheid state once and for all. The discourse has been hijacked in such a way that the urgent calls for the immediate cessation of violence resuscitate that non-starter, the essentially unjust two states project that will ensure the continuation of violence.

Alas, the pathology of generating violence against oneself, violence that suspends reflection on the core apartheid, succeeds only at the price of generating enormous hatred. The Israeli pathology will bring about, stealthily and fatefully, that which the Israelis fear most.There is indeed “no choice” for the nationalistic project of the eternal victims but to commit suicide with those whom they oppress.

The sublimated Zionist desire to be hated is the fuel of Israel’s unity and self-righteousness. This self-destructive nature, concealed as a desire for self defence, comes from deep and ancient forces of which Zionism is merely a symptom and a hint. That which preserves these self-destructive forces ensures that the eternal victims’ apartheid nationalisticproject will be a fleeting phenomenon. When arrested in mere nationalism, primordial victim mentality self preserves by generating collective suicide of that nationalistic project. The self-defence of suicide points out the uniqueness of the Israeli apartheid. Both the no-choice and the self-defence rhetoric contain a chilling chronicle of suicide foretold. Despite its military might, Israel is a weak and dying state that desires to destroy itself. The most powerful nations in the world assist this suicidal process and this fact calls for urgent contemplation.

Oren Ben-Dor grew up in Israel and teaches Legal and Political Philosophy at the School of Law, University of Southampton, UK. His latest book, Thinking About Law: In Silence with Heidegger, was published in 2007 by Hart Publishing, Oxford. He can be reached at: okbendor@yahoo.com

Anonymous said...

A Rubber Stamp for U.S. Dictats
UN Complicity in Israel's Massacre in Gaza
By OMAR BARGHOUTI

A friend forwarded to me the most original greeting for the New Year: “I wish in 2009 a horrible year for all war criminals and their accomplices.” I could not but think of whether some UN officials can be counted among such “accomplices.”

Over the last two days, various UN officials stated that the percentage of civilians among those Palestinians killed in the current Israeli war of aggression on Gaza is about "25%" and is "likely to increase." Assuming the best of intentions, stating such a painfully low figure reflects shabby research or scandalous incompetence. At worst, it reveals intentional deception and misinformation that can only benefit the already massive and well-oiled Israeli PR machine.

The United Nations' complicity in Israel's propaganda war is the latest, albeit hardly ever mentioned, dimension of the international organization's utter failure in defending its principles, foremost among which are the prevention of war and the promotion of peace, when performing such a duty is expected to stir the wrath of the US master and the uniquely influential Israel lobby. Not only has the UN General Secretary betrayed the very Charter of the UN and all relevant international law principles by failing to even condemn Israel's massacre of civilians and targeting of civilian institutions and residential neighborhoods; the entire UN system has so far dealt with it as a "war" between two relatively symmetric forces, where the mightier side has sufficient justification to "defend itself," but should do so more proportionately, while the weaker side is chiefly responsible for triggering the "armed conflict."

Now, senior UN officials, excluding the particularly courageous and principled UN Special Rapporteur for human rights in the occupied Palestinian territory, Richard Falk, and a few others, are only focusing on "women and children" victims of the massacre, implying, even if unintentionally, that all Palestinian men in Gaza are fair game for the Israeli killing machine. The tens of Palestinian civilian policemen that were butchered in the opening hours of the massive Israeli attack by dozens of fighter jets were, thus, conveniently dismissed by such irresponsible UN figures of casualties as Hamas “fighters,” more or less, that may be targeted with impunity. This is not to mention the scores of male teachers, doctors, workers, farmers and unemployed who were killed by Israel’s indiscriminate bombing in their workplaces, public offices, homes or streets and were not accounted for as civilian victims of Israel’s belligerent murder spree.

Anonymous said...

Above everything else, this UN discourse not only reduces close to half a million Palestinian men in that wretched, tormented and occupied coastal strip to “militants,” radical “fighters,” or whatever other nouns in currency nowadays in the astoundingly, but characteristically, biased western media coverage of the Israel “war crimes and crimes against humanity” in Gaza, as some international law experts have described them; it also treats them as already condemned criminals that deserve the capital punishment Israel has meted out on them. I am not an expert on the history of the UN, but I suspect this sets a new low, a precedent in dehumanizing an entire adult male population in a region of "conflict," thereby justifying their fatal targeting or, at least, silently condoning it. But this should surprise no one as the same UN leaders have for 18 months watched in eerie silence or even indirectly justified, one way or another, Israel’s siege of Gaza which was described by Falk as a “prelude to genocide” and compared by him to Nazi crimes.

If one wants to be truly magnanimous and give those UN officials the benefit of the doubt -- not something I would recommend at all, given the scale of the massacre and their verifiable complicity -- one has to assume that they are quite confused as to how best to categorize the thousands of Palestinian victims of Israel’s war on Gaza, whether those injured or killed. A casual overview of Israeli army press statements and human rights organizations’ reports, however, will immediately dismiss the possibility that the UN figure of 25% was the product of clinical incompetence or technical ineptness, widely recognized trademarks of the organization.

A recent article published in the Washington Post, for instance, quoted a senior Israeli military official saying: "There are many aspects to Hamas, and we are trying to hit the whole spectrum, because everything is connected and everything supports terrorism against Israel." An Israeli army spokeswoman went further stating. "Anything affiliated with Hamas is a legitimate target." Given that, in the ghetto of Gaza, Hamas is effectively the “ruling” party -- it was democratically elected, after all -- and its network of social and charitable organizations are the largest provider of social services to the impoverished and besieged population, all of Gaza’s civilian infrastructure, public schools, hospitals, universities, law and order organs, traffic police, sewage treatment and water purification stations, ministries providing vital services to the public, mosques, public theatres and many non-governmental institutions can technically be considered “affiliated” with Hamas.

Lest the reader feels that this is an exaggeration, today, in the first hours of the first day of the new year, the Israeli air force already bombed the following “targets” in Gaza: the Palestinian Legislative Council, the Ministry of Education and the Ministry of Justice. Earlier, several mosques were pulverised to the ground. So were main buildings in the Islamic University of Gaza, which serves 20,000 students. Ambulances and private homes were not spared either.
Even B’Tselem, Israel’s leading human rights organization that often issues sanitized, “balanced” or selective reports focusing on Israel’s less criminal behaviour in the OPT, was compelled to conclude that the Israeli army was intentionally targeting “what appear to be clear civilian objects” that are not “engaged in military action against Israel,” without making the distinction between male and female civilians. A statement from the organization on December 31st said:

Anonymous said...

For example, the military bombed the main police building in Gaza and killed, according to reports, forty-two Palestinians who were in a training course and were standing in formation at the time of the bombing. Participants in the course study first-aid, handling of public disturbances, human rights, public-safety exercises, and so forth. Following the course, the police officers are assigned to various arms of the police force in Gaza responsible for maintaining public order.

Another example is yesterday’s bombing of the government offices. These offices included the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Labor, Construction and Housing. An announcement made by the IDF Spokesperson’s Office regarding this attack stated that, ‘the attack was carried out in response to the ongoing rocket and mortar-shell fire carried out by Hamas over Israeli territory, and in the framework of IDF operations to strike at Hamas governmental infrastructure and members active in the organization.’

Just to drive the point closer to home for an average western reader who may have internalized over the years a perception of Israelis -- inaccurately and quite deliberately depicted by Israeli and western propaganda as part of the “west” -- as full humans and Palestinians, along with almost all global southerners, as relative humans, perhaps the following mirroring exercise is necessary.

Imagine if the Palestinian resistance, in exercising its otherwise perfectly legitimate, UN-sanctioned right to fight Israel’s occupation and apartheid, were to regard all institutions “affiliated” with the Israeli government as legitimate targets, justifying the bombing of universities, hospitals, civilian ministries, publicly-run synagogues, neighborhoods where government or army officials live or work, and other civilian “targets,” killing in 5 days only 1,600 Israelis and wounding 8,000 (four times the current toll in Gaza, given that Israel’s population is four times as large). What would the UN do? Would UN officials only count Israeli women and children victims? Would they call on both parties to “exercise restraint” or to end “the violence”? Morally, and even legally, this is not even a fair reversal of roles, for Israel, no matter what, remains the occupier and settler-colonial oppressor, while the indigenous Palestinians remain the colonized and oppressed.

The truth is the UN leadership, in the unipolar world that we are still living in and is perhaps on its way to be transformed to more multipolar space, has effectively turned into a rubber stamp bureau for US dictates. Ban Ki-Moon will go down in history as the most subservient and morally unqualified general secretary to ever lead the international organization. The only question remaining is whether one day he and his senior staff will stand trial for being accomplices in Israel’s war crimes, together with leaders of the US, the EU and many Arab regimes. In a more just world, governed by the rule of law, not the US-dominated rule of the jungle, they should.

Omar Barghouti is a founding member of the Palestinian Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign www.BDSmovement.net

Anonymous said...

Are All Americans Guilty?
Whatever Happened to Western Morality?
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

On the last day of the old year in CounterPunch, two Israelis, Jeff Halper who heads the Israeli peace movement ICAHD and Neve Gordon who is chairman of the department of politics and government at Ben-Gurion University, asked, “Where’s the Academic Outrage Over the Bombing of a University in Gaza?”

“Not one of the nearly 450 presidents of American colleges and universities who prominently denounced an effort by British academics to boycott Israeli universities in September 2007 have raised their voice in opposition to Israel’s bombardment of the Islamic University of Gaza earlier this week,” report Halper and Gordon. They note that Columbia University president Lee C. Bollinger, who has in the past ignorantly insulted Islamic representatives, “has been silent.”

It is the goyim moralists who are silent, not the Jews. It is the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, not the goyim media, that provides reports of Israel’s abuse of Palestinians. Gideon Levy’s “The Neighborhood Bully Strikes Again” was published in Haaretz (29 December), not in the goyim press. Levy’s words--“Once again, Israel’s violent responses, even if there is justification for them, exceed all proportion and cross every red line of humaneness, morality, international law and wisdom”--are not words that can appear in American print or TV media. Such words, printed in Israeli newspapers, never reach the goyim.

Anonymous said...

The extent of Americans’ ignorance is breathtaking. Israel has the Palestinians jammed into tightly controlled ghettos known as Gaza and the West Bank. With Egypt’s help, Israel controls the inflows of food, medicines, water, and energy into Gaza. Palestinians in Gaza are not permitted to enter Israel or Egypt. Last week a humanitarian ship bringing food and medicine was rammed by Israeli gunboats and turned away.

In the West Bank Palestinians are walled off from their fields, jobs, medical care, education, water, and from one another by endless checkpoints, roads for “Jews only,” walls, barbed wire, and machine gun towers. Palestinians are being evicted from their towns house by house, block by block.

Israel’s slow theft of Palestine is illegal under international law but protected by US “diplomacy.”

The Palestinians are no more of a threat to Israel than Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto were a threat to the Nazi state. Yet, everywhere in America--Congress, the executive branch, the print and TV media, the universities, evangelical Christian institutions--there is the belief that Israel is on the verge of annihilation by Palestinian terrorists. This ignorance, so carefully cultivated by the Israel Lobby, turns genocidal aggression into self-defense.

It fools Americans, but it doesn’t fool Israelis. The Israelis have always known that “self-defense” is a cloak for a Zionist policy of territorial expansion. The policy is controversial within Israel. Many Israelis object, just as many Americans object to President Bush’s illegal wars and violations of US civil liberties. Many Israelis give voice to their moral conscience, but they are overwhelmed by vested interests.

Anonymous said...

Karl Marx declared morality to be merely a mask for vested interests. The writings of Marx and Engels are scornful of good will and moral ideals as effective forces in history. The Israeli state epitomizes Marx’s doctrine that power alone is the effective force.

Many American conservatives share the Israeli state’s belief in the efficacy of power. Conservatives who turned against Bush’s wars did so because the US was not brutal enough. They turned away from Bush’s long inconclusive wars in the way that fans desert a losing team.

Americans used to say that “the pen is mightier than the sword,” but this hasn’t been the case for US and Israeli aggression. The success the two regimes have had in instilling fear into their populations is part of the explanation for the impotence of morality. Another part of the explanation is that vested interests are a powerful constraint on morality.

Consider the case of Lee Bollinger. Columbia University is dependent on Jewish money, faculty and students. If Bollinger were to take a stand against Israel’s mistreatment of the Palestinians, he would be denounced as an anti-semite. Presidents of competitor universities would not come to his defense. They would pile on in hopes of recruiting Columbia’s top faculty and students and redirecting the flow of financial resources from Columbia to themselves.

An American newspaper or TV network that took a stand against Israel’s abuse of Palestinians would be confronted with an advertising boycott organized by AIPAC. American politicians who criticize Israel go down to defeat by Israel Lobby money.

Hegel gave too much emphasis to ideas, Marx too much to material interests. Both forces operate in the world. There are times in history when revolutionary ideas shatter material interests. Other times the two coexist in a balance of power. In other times material interests prevail over morality.

Anonymous said...

We are living in the latter time. Financial interests, the military-security complex, and the Israel Lobby are the powers that rule America. They are buttressed by neoconservatives and Christian Zionists and by the patriotic hubris that America is the main force for good operating in the world. The evils America commits are dismissed as necessary to the service of good. The destruction of Iraq, for example, is justified as “bringing freedom and democracy to the Iraqi people.”

A number of commentators, including myself, predict a decline in America’s economic power. As this occurs, Israel will have to abandon its policy of violence. With the accumulated hatred that its policies have fomented, Israel will be vulnerable.

The world will need to remember that although Israel is a Jewish state, it is a state whose policies many Jews find objectionable, just as a majority of American Jews oppose President Bush’s wars of aggression in the Middle East and his unconstitutional policies at home. We must not confuse Israel’s Zionist government with world Jewry, just as we must not confuse the American people with the war criminals in the Bush Regime.

Consider, who do you trust with your civil liberties, the US Department of Justice or the ACLU’s phalanx of Jewish attorneys?

We must avoid the mistake that was made by blaming the German people for Hitler. It was the aristocratic German military that tried to remove Hitler. In contrast, Democratic Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi blocked the attempt to impeach George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Pelosi is a discredit to California, but shall we blame all of America for Pelosi’s defense of war criminals? How can we do so when US Rep. Dennis Kucinich courageously read out the articles of impeachment on the House floor?

Are all Americans guilty because Kucinich did not prevail?

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at: PaulCraigRoberts@yahoo.com

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Anonymous said...

Why Israel had to fight to look after its people

Tuesday, 6 January 2009


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It’ll be no surprise to anyone familiar with this column that I am 100% behind the Israeli action against Hamas in Gaza.


For the militant Palestinians in Hamas, their malevolent twins in Hezbollah, and their even more malevolent arms-suppliers in Iran, the only solution to the ‘problem’ in the region is the termination of Israel.

That’s not misrepresentation. That’s root-and-branch the expressed view of those three ghastly partners in terror. It’s the very essence of Hamas. Stupid, unsophisticated, self-sacrificial — persuading the gullible to kill themselves by suicide bomb — and exploiting the lowest possible urges of a people certainly embattled and cornered.

It’s also the reason why Hamas was able to win elections in Gaza, routing the PLO under President Mahmoud Abbas, dubbed by one Hamas leader, Khaled Meshal, as “a merchant selling Palestinians' rights”.

So, when Israel is attacked, it’s the price that nation of interlopers must pay for being there in the first place.

If they retaliate, as any democracy would be expected to do, the hue-and-cry from the usual sources in the West is deafening.

How dare they fight back! If they weren’t there in the first place, they wouldn’t be attacked! Do they not know they should welcome Palestinian outrages as atonement for their rape of the Palestinian nation?

And other such guff.

Larded with the traditional, routine, by-now barely-concealed anti-Semitism of the Western Left and the British Labour movement in particular. Hence, one newspaper in this very city can publish a cartoon so breathtakingly racist and anti-Semitic that it’s no longer even commented on as out of the ordinary.

But am I wrong in thinking that the hue-and-cry has been rather less raucous than usual?

Certainly, there’s been little noise from Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan — and even Syria has been keeping its powder dry. Pakistan has been notably quiet also.

In other words, every country with an investment in the region — and which would normally have been among the first to rattle sabres — have kept their counsel. Why?

Maybe because of the woman suicide bomber, corseted with ball-bearings, who blew herself up outside a Shiite mosque in Baghdad on Sunday, killing more than 40 people.

Maybe because of the suicide attack, also on Sunday, which killed seven in north-west Pakistan.

Maybe because last week, four months after a local militia stood up to the Taliban and threw them out of their village, killing six of them, the Taliban murdered 40 people in Shal Bandal in north west Pakistan, many of them children, in a car bomb.

Maybe because they’ve all felt the consequences of dallying with the Hezbollah, Hamas, al-Qaida, Taliban mindset. And they all know who’s really calling the shots in Gaza. You know too. He was on TV delivering his Christmas message to Britain, courtesy of Channel Four.

I’m no war-monger. I’d like to see Mugabe hunted down for his crimes over a quarter of a century in Zimbabwe, not just those committed when he became an embarrassment to the Western Lefties. I was glad to see Saddam closed down — that’s one nation which isn’t keen to join any Iranian-backed scheme to capitalise on the sufferings of the people of Gaza.

And they are suffering, no question. As of today, however, there is equally no question that Hamas ‘soldiers’ are suffering more than civilians.

But as long as Hamas is sanctioned by anyone to hurl 200 rockets a day into towns where ordinary people live, it is insane not to expect Israel to. It’s their right and their duty to their own people.

Israel, remember, spent the whole of the first Iraq War showing restraint as Saddam’s SCUD missiles rained down on them.

But there’s a limit to provocation. And that limit was passed 12 days ago.

The Israelis didn’t learn tolerance from the industrial slaughter of Jews by Germany. The idea that because they were subject to a ‘final solution’ they would somehow be ‘nicer’ in future to people who wanted to obliterate them is both offensive and stupid.

What they learned was precisely what it is they will never tolerate again.

And if no one else does — ever — I for one will support that democracy.

All the way.

mohd zafri said...

A Jew's prayer for the children of Gaza

By Bradley Burston

Tags: Israel News, Gaza, IDF

If there has ever been a time for prayer, this is that time.

If there has ever been a place forsaken, Gaza is that place.

Lord who is the creator of all children, hear our prayer this accursed day. God whom we call Blessed, turn your face to these, the children of Gaza, that they may know your blessings, and your shelter, that they may know light and warmth, where there is now only blackness and smoke, and a cold which cuts and clenches the skin.

Almighty who makes exceptions, which we call miracles, make an exception of the children of Gaza. Shield them from us and from their own. Spare them. Heal them. Let them stand in safety. Deliver them from hunger and horror and fury and grief. Deliver them from us, and from their own.

Restore to them their stolen childhoods, their birthright, which is a taste of heaven.

Remind us, O Lord, of the child Ishmael, who is the father of all the children of Gaza. How the child Ishmael was without water and left for dead in the wilderness of Beer-Sheba, so robbed of all hope, that his own mother could not bear to watch his life drain away.

Be that Lord, the God of our kinsman Ishmael, who heard his cry and sent His angel to comfort his mother Hagar.

Be that Lord, who was with Ishmael that day, and all the days after. Be that God, the All-Merciful, who opened Hagar's eyes that day, and showed her the well of water, that she could give the boy Ishmael to drink, and save his life.

Allah, whose name we call Elohim, who gives life, who knows the value and the fragility of every life, send these children your angels. Save them, the children of this place, Gaza the most beautiful, and Gaza the damned.

In this day, when the trepidation and rage and mourning that is called war, seizes our hearts and patches them in scars, we call to you, the Lord whose name is Peace:

Bless these children, and keep them from harm.

Turn Your face toward them, O Lord. Show them, as if for the first time, light and kindness, and overwhelming graciousness.

Look up at them, O Lord. Let them see your face.

And, as if for the first time, grant them peace.

Anonymous said...

Rabbis in the Zionist entity have issued a religious edict allowing the killing of Palestinian women and children and exonerating every Jew doing such horrible thing.


Everyday the jews murder Jesus Christ,with Rabbis' Approval
Sun 18 Jan 2009


Israeli rabbis to Olmert:It doesn’t matter even if you kill million Palestinians

18/01/2009 - 02:02 AM

GAZA, (PIC)-- A report issued by the Saudi Al-Watan news paper revealed Saturday that Jewish rabbis in the Zionist entity have issued a religious edict allowing the killing of Palestinian women and children and exonerating every Jew doing such horrible thing.

According to the paper, the rabbis opined that the Israeli massacres in Gaza Strip falls in line with Jewish teachings that consider such killing as "mass punishment to the enemies".

The paper also added that one of the rabbis opined that there would be no problem at all in exterminating the Palestinian people even if one million or more of them were killed at the hands of the occupation troops.

Citing verses from the Book of Geneses, Jewish rabbi Mordachi Elyaho, who is the religious reference of the popular religious current in the Zionist entity sent outgoing Israeli premier Ehud Olmert a weekly leaflet containing articles allowing the Jews to carryout the idea of massive punishment against the enemies in accordance with the ethics of war in the Torah, the paper pointed out.

"This standard could also be applied to the case of Gaza as all Gaza inhabitants bear the responsibility because they didn’t do anything to stop the firing of Qassam Brigades" said Elyaho in his letter to Olmert, urging him to continue the military aggression on the Palestinians because "harming innocent Palestinians was a legitimate matter."

Yesrael Rozin, another fanatic rabbi, was also quoted as saying that law of the Torah stipulates the killing of men, children, women, elderly, infants, and animals of the enemy, the paper furthermore added.

For his part, Safad rabbi Sholomo Elyaho underlined, "If we kill 100 of them but they refuse to halt this firing of rockets them we should kill 1000; and if we kill 1000 of them but they didn’t stop, then we should kill 10000 of them, and we must continue killing them even if they reach one million and despite the time spent in killing them".

"The Psalms says "I should continue chasing my enemies and arrest them, and I won't cease till I finish them completely", the rabbi said according to the report.

Anonymous said...

Saturday, January 17, 2009 On balance: Evaluation of the Israeli festival of slaughter and butchery in Gaza
By: The Angry Arab on: 18.01.2009 [18:05 ] (138 reads)

From war to war (which is a title of a book by Nadav Safran), that is the context in which we need to evaluate our century-old conflict with Israel. You can't isolate each chapter or war or slaughter and analyze it without the larger context of the conflict. The press conference by the Israeli prime minister and his defense minister was remarkable: less triumphalist than usual, and certainly vague about goals and successes. Now we can evaluate the goals within the context of Israel's declared goals, and within the context of Israel's trategic plan. For somebody of my age, I can say this at first: that from 1948 until the 1990s, every Israeli military success more smashing the one before: the 1973 was a different story because it was the only Arab-Israeli war that was initiated by the Arab side (remarkable when you think about the propaganda of the "beleaguered Israel"), and it was bungled by the Egyptian (Nazi) dictator, Answar Sadat (Jimmy Carter's favorite personality and friend), and Israel (contrary to present-day Arab states' propaganda) wound up winning overall at the end. So Israel's strategic posture was predicated on intimdating

1) the armies of the enemy;

2) the population of the enemy. Israeli psychological warfare succeeeded for decades in convincing the enemy that Israel is way too mighty and way too invincible to be damaged by any military effort. Arab reached a mood of defeatism that permeated the political culture, and helped in securing the survival and propaganda of the ruling regimes. Israel's tactic was meant to discourage any political violence or even defense from the other side. You also need to compare to the times when Israel faced non-state actors: we have different episodes:from Al-Karamah battle in 1968 (a crucial watershed in fida'iyyin recruitment), to the various chapters of Israeli invasions of Lebanon culminating in the 1982 invasion of Lebanon. I am quite familar and witnessed the responses to Israeli invasions of Lebanon. It is in that context that I find Gaza (under siege and cut off from the world with Egypt playing the role of the ally of Israel) to be an utter failure for the Israeli side. I never expected much from Hamas in terms of military effectiveness, and I think that the Israeli-Egyptian-Saudi-Dahlan plan was based a low estimation of Hamas' miltiary effectiveness. In previous confrontations in the West Bank or in Lebanon in the 1980s, the Israeli military would bomb from the air for a day or two, and then advance swiftly. And that was exactly what happened in the invasion of Lebanon in the summer of 1982: now, the lack of stiff resistance back then had to do with many factors, including the lousy leadership of `Arafat (who cared about preserving his little empire more than about resistance and who is not dead enough as far as I am concerned, and may his grave deepen), the gap between people of the South and the resistance, and the financial regularization of the PLO's fighting force, and the psychological factor that often curtailed the ability of the fighting force, all helped the Israeli plan. True, there was stiff resistance in some places: like Rashidiyyah and `Ayn Al-Hilwah but it was sporadic and disorganized.

Only in West Beirut, a strong fighting force was prepared and they were ready for a confrontation with Israel, and that is why Israel never invaded the city: it only waited until the evaculation of the fighters and then supervised the butchery of the women and children in the Sabra and Shatila camps--slaughter of women and children is a classic speciality of the Zionist forces even before the establishment of the state. But Hamas performed far better than the expectations of its enemies and even of its leadership in Syria and Lebanon. Israel would have succeeded if it achieved what it wanted: to achieve an unconditional surrender of Hamas. That was it used to get from Fatah in the West Bank: Arafat would negotiate the terms of his surrender with third-parties and that would be that (like in Bethlehem). Yet, Hamas defiance and the launching of rockets continued to the last day--in fact it continues as I write this from what I see on the screen. Hamas leaders did not leave as Fatah leaders and fitghters would (in the era under Arafat-Dahlan-Rajjub in the West Bank bantustan after Oslo), but continued in stiff resistance and defiance to the very last end.

So Israel failed in 1) achieving a total surrender of Hamas; 2) in propping up the Dahlan-Abu Mazen gangs who are more discredited today than ever. Early in the campaign, Dahlan appeared on Al-Arabiyya and on Egyptian TV and was quite bombastic because he was expecting that the matter would be over in the first week. When that did not happen, he disappeared, and some say that he went back to Montenegro--his news base. 3) Israel failed in achieving a victory that it needed: a victory that would once and for all put to rest the humiliating defeat of Israel in 2006. Hamas new that its performance was exctremely influential in possibly dramtically altering the image of the Israeli soldiers in the eyes of all Arabs: fighters and lay people alike, and it knew that expectations were in building on the performance on Hizbullah in 2006; 4) Israel failed in creating a rift between the Paelstinian people and Hamas, just as it failed to create a rift between the population of the South and Hizbullah, its silly SMS messages notwithstanding; 5) Israel failed in putting an end to the rockets; 6) Israel failed in smashing Hamas; 7) Israel failed in creating a new pyschological climate in the Middle East: it was expected that Israel would use more massive and indiscriminate violence than before, and that it would try to "shock and awe" more than before because it wanted to kill the image of its humiliation in South Lebanon. That was not accomplished despite the high number of casualties among the civilians. 8) Israeli prime minister today bragged about intelligence successes: but that was inflated. It is true the killing of two Hamas leaders (along with tens of innocent civilians but that is how Israel "assassinates") was a success for Israel but there are other Hamas leaders. Plus, Israel policy of assuming that an organization would die by killing the leader has always been one of the many dumb Israeli misculations. The most recent case was in 1992 when Israeli terrorist leaders killed Abbas Musawi (and his family) and they got...Hasan Nasrallah instead. I have no doubt that they probably now regret killing Musawi. And Hamas now operates on the assumption that all leaders may die and they have most likely structured the organization on that assumption, unlike the centrally run, say, DFLP or Fatah under `Arafat. 9) Israel failed to build on the years-old Saudi policy of mobilizing Arab public opion against Iran, instead of Israel. That clearly failed miserably. If anything, Arab public opinion is more mobilized against Israel than any other time in memory. 10) Israel failed to sell its slaughter as a legitimate contribution to the "war on terrorism". Clearly, the scenes of carnage offended pubilic opinion around the wortld with the excepeption of the US and the UN embassy of Mironesia. But there are successes: if Israel was aiming to kill a very large number of women and children, that was achieved to a learge measure.

Very knowledgeable sources in Beirut tell me that only 5% of Hamas' fighting abilities were damaged in this war thus far, and there will be another round no doubt. But think about Karamah battle. In Karamah: a lot of the lore was built by Arafat's bombast and a unit of the Jordanian army fought with the Palestinian resistance. This time around, Arab and particularly Palestinian public opinion will look with admiration at the performance of Hamas during this 22 days. It is commonly estimated that some 20,000 Palestinians vlunteered in the resistance movement after Karamah, and I expect a region-wide campaign of recruitment to the benefit of Hamas. Israel's choice of Palestinian leadership (supported by Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt), i.e., Dahlan gangs, are discredited beyond repait. I mean, when I read in Saudi newspapers description of Dahlan as an Israeli stooge, you know how Palestinian opinion will regard him--and the fleeing of his men in their udnerwear did not help either. From 1968 to 1978, the Fatah movement transforemed from a band of fighters in Jordan to an army (badly run to be sure by Arafat) with all sorts of heavy weapons. There is now a point of no-return: Arabs are no more afraid of Israeli soldiers. From that loss, Israel shall never recover and it will expecited the inevitable process of the elimination of Zionism from Palestine. The confrontuation with Israel is cumulative, and this cumulation is now not in the interests of Israel. Many Arabs now talk about the defeat of Israel: I rarely heard those sentiments before 2006.
Posted by As'ad at 2:20 PM

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2009/01/on-balance-evaluation-of-israeli.html

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Gaza campaign is war against Amalek, says Chief Rabbi of Safed
By: Nadav Shragai on: 19.01.2009 [04:55 ] (28 reads)


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Gaza campaign is war against Amalek, says Chief Rabbi of Safed
Haaretz 18 gennaio 2009




The Chief Rabbi of Safed, Rabbi Shmuel Elyahu, visited a Bnei Akiva yeshiva in Ashdod Thursday where he declared the war against Hamas as "a war of the people of Israel against Amalek."

The yeshiva had originally been in the settlement of Neveh Dekalim and was evacuated in 2005 along with similar communities in the Gaza Strip.

"This is not a private war of Shmuel and Moshe against Muhammad, but a war of the nation of Israel against those wishing to destroy Jews. This is a Hamas war against Judaism and that is how it should be seen," Rabbi Elyahu said.

By Nadav Shragai

http://www.effedieffe.com/content/view/6008/183/

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Israeli Farmers claim UK, Jordan boycotting their fruit
By: Ynet news on: 18.01.2009 [07:47 ] (409 reads)

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Fruit growers disappointed by canceled orders from abroad, leaving
produce to rot in warehouses

Published: 01.16.09, 07:37



Fruit growers in Israel have reported delays and reductions in orders
from abroad since the military operation in Gaza was launched, due to
various boycotts against Israeli produce.

Farmers say much of their produce is being held in warehouses due to
canceled orders, and fear a sharp decrease in fruit exports to
countries such as Jordan, Britain, and the Scandinavian countries.

"We export persimmons, and because of the fighting a number of
countries and distributors are canceling orders," Giora Almagor, of
the southern town of Bitzaron, told Ynet. He said some of the produce
had already been shipped while some was awaiting shipment in
warehouses.

Almagor said a large number of cancellations came from Jordan. "The
produce stays packed in warehouses, and this is causing us massive
losses," he said.

"The longer the fruit waits in storage after sorting, the more its
quality decreases. We also have to pay for cooling the merchandise
that should have already left, and the cost in considerable," he
added.

Ilan Eshel, director of the Organization of Fruit Growers in Israel,
said Scandinavian countries have also been canceling orders. "It's
mostly Sweden, Norway, and Denmark," he said. "In Scandinavia the
tendency is general, and it may come to include all of the chains."

Eshel says the boycott did not exist before the Gaza offensive was
launched. "It's getting worse, and more voices can be heard calling to
boycott Israeli merchandise," he said. "Until the operation began we
had excellent business, though the economic recession in Europe was
causing a slight fall in the market."

He added that winter was an especially difficult season to be unable
to export fruit, because the avocado, persimmon, and citrus markets
are at their height.

Yair Hason

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3656454,00.html

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fruits
by falluja_superstar on 18.01.2009 [09:07 ]

does'nt taste the same when it is grown on stolen land



The ground is
by pilot-x on 18.01.2009 [09:25 ]

sour.



DIVEST AND BOYCOTT.
by Sandy on 18.01.2009 [11:48 ]

Poor diddums. NAZI warcriminals getting boycotted.

Should have happened LONG AGO.

THE MAIN THING TO BOYCOTT IS THE ARMS MARKET OF ISRAEL. THE NEXT IS THE FINANCIAL . NO BUYING OF SHEKELS. NO INVESTING, CASH OUT AND IDENTIFY ALL INSTITUIONS INVESTING IN ISRAEL AND SHAME THEM. NO SPORTS TEAMS_THAT IS WHAT PARTICULARLY GOT TO THE SOUTH AFRICAN APARTHEID REGIME.

THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH HAS ALREADY DIVESTED DUE TO THE ATROCITIES THREE YEARS AGO.



Every little bit is productive????
by bernie22 on 18.01.2009 [12:54 ]

Costco does business with israeli products and for
the past few years, I have stopped buying flowers
at Costco, who sells flowers from israel?????



Bernie22
by Greekos-Έλλην on 18.01.2009 [15:46 ]

How about stop buying from Costco all together???



there's white phosphorous in dem hills!!!
by catman3 on 18.01.2009 [15:48 ]

so why would we buy?!?!?!



Ahhhh...
by Kamau_Ajamu on 18.01.2009 [20:59 ]

...does widdle Israeli farmers want a pity party?

Anonymous said...

MUST SEE! Brilliant speech by Gerald Kaufman (Update with some text: now 53000 views)
By: setfree68 on: 18.01.2009 [07:09 ] (481 reads)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8


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"Israel was born out of Jewish Terrorism"

"Tzipi Livnis Father was a Terrorist"

Astonishing claims in the House of Parliament. SIR Gerald Kaufman, the veteran Labour MP, yesterday compared the actions of Israeli troops in Gaza to the Nazis who forced his family to flee Poland.

During a Commons debate on the fighting in Gaza, he urged the government to impose an arms embargo on Israel.

Sir Gerald, who was brought up as an orthodox Jew and Zionist, said: "My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town a German soldier shot her dead in her bed.

"My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza. The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt from gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians."

He said the claim that many of the Palestinian victims were militants "was the reply of the Nazi" and added: "I suppose the Jews fighting for their lives in the Warsaw ghetto could have been dismissed as militants."

He accused the Israeli government of seeking "conquest" and added: "

They are not simply war criminals, they are fools."

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Great speech
by chestergimli on 17.01.2009 [13:33 ]

Gerald Kauffman called a spade a spade.



EXCELENT! Real jews ARE DIFFERENT FROM KHAZARS ZIONISTS
by CANUKISTAN_VIEW on 18.01.2009 [02:17 ]

Historically THE KHAZARS FINANCED HITLER (Warburg) and are the worst people against real jews. BECAUSE JUDAISM IS A RELIGION AND THEY LIVE EVERY WHERE KEEPING THEIR FAITH. They do not believe in ISRAEL estate as they lived in the Arab world for centuries without a problem.

But is the khazar that lost their khaganato around 1050 CE and since then THEY LOST THEIR LAND AS THEY FLEE AND NEVER CAME BACK TO THE CAUCASUS!

As I said before PLEASE MAKE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REAL JEWS AND THOSE IMPOSTORS.

CHEERS FROM CANADA -



the rothschild family
by falluja_superstar on 18.01.2009 [09:08 ]

owned most of the land in Israel. In fact, the parliament building is designed by their architects. illuminati based design



George Galloway...
by stоpwar on 18.01.2009 [22:57 ]

was very generous about Gerald Kaufman on his Friday night show. He may not look it, but Gerald is 80 years old; one of a dwindling breed of principled politicians. Another of course is Tony Benn, who'll be 84 this year, but still speaks at most of the anti-war rallies.

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Israel’s ‘Right to Exist’
By: crescentandcross on: 17.01.2009 [21:05 ] (221 reads)


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Israel’s ‘Right to Exist’
July 29, 2008 — crescentandcross

I have heard it for the entirety of my 61 years of life–Israel’s ‘Right To Exist’. In fact, in recent memory I have heard this phrase more than I’ve heard ‘Happy Thanksgiving’ or ‘Merry Christmas’ or even ‘Have a Good 4th of July’.

Israel seems to exist quite well. Her people have a very high living standard compared to the rest of the world. Israel has the most sophisticated armed forces in the Middle East, if indeed not the world. According to one of our former presidents, Israel is said to possess several hundred nuclear weapons and if we are to believe some of the things said by Israel’s leaders in recent years she is ready to destroy mankind if her leaders choose to do so.

Israeli’s live a very good life style, second to none. A swimming pool in every back yard on stolen land, plenty of food, jobs, stocks, cash, you name it. Their quality of life continues to grow and prosper every month of every year.

Now what I have a problem with is this–doesn’t the United States of America also have a ‘Right to Exist’?

Yes we do, but unfortunately that right is being taken away from us every second, every minute, every hour, every month and every year and all for the sake of Israel’s ‘Right To Exist’. What’s wrong with this story? Well, I’ll explain what’s wrong with it and believe me, its not that hard to figure out.

Israel’s ‘Right To Exist’ has virtually bankrupted the United States, and all of it off the backs of hard-working Americans for the last sixty years. We’ve given Israel untold billions of dollars NEVER TO BE REPAID, to say nothing of the military hardware in the billions we (I should say the United States) just flat-out gives them, including free training for their fighter pilots.

The United States continues to supply Israel with cash payments every day in the millions of dollars, and remember–THIS IS BORROWED MONEY. Do you understand this my fellow Americans? We borrow money for the sake of Israel but yet we do not barrow it for the sake and safety of our own citizens. This money must be paid back by us our children, their children and their children and this cycle will never be broken until the Untied States gives up its passionate attachment to the Jewish state.

Our sons and daughters are paying a very heavy price in Iraq. 4000+dead, tens of thousands wounded so badly that their lives will never be the same and who knows when it will end.

The United States is fighting this war in Iraq all for the sake of Israel. Americans getting killed, wounded and us spending billions of tax dollars we don’t have, and for what? Let me remind you, in case you have forgotten–FOR ISRAEL’S RIGHT TO EXIST.

The ugly truth is that the United States can’t take much more. It is bending to the very breaking point of no return, and now the war drums beat once again in Israel that we must attack Iran or they will. When Israel spouts this aggression the gas prices go up and up, along with the price of food and just about everything else we need so that America can exist. It is a heavy burden on the American people, Israel’s benefactors. Many in this country are losing their homes, their jobs and can’t even afford food and all because they gave everything they had for Israel’s ‘Right to Exist’.

This year the United States has gone through so many natural disasters it boggles the mind. One after the other–fire, floods, tornadoes, you name it and we’ve had it and up to our collective eyeballs. And through all of this, where has America’s greatest ally been? I haven’t seen Israel hand over a red cent to this country when it was in need. Israel could care less about us, their benefactors the USA. If we were broke and down to our last cent, you can bet the ranch that Israel would demand it go into her coffers and God help any politician who would vote against it.

But then, why do we even bother discussing such business as politicians voting in America’s best interest? It goes without saying that when Israel wants something she gets it, no strings attached from a subservient President and congress.

It’s time we cut this step child Israel lose and let her make it on their own. No more wars for Israel. No more money, no more nothing. If Israel wants money let her people earn it. If they want a war LET THEM FIGHT IT ON THEIR OWN. NO MORE AMERICAN BLOOD OR TREASURE SPENT ON ISRAEL’S ‘RIGHT TO EXIST’.

For those who think I am wet behind the ears on this one, think twice–I know all too well what Israel thinks about Americans, because 41 years ago I saw them murder my shipmates in cold blood with no remorse in their black hearts or in their vacant souls. Their entire war machine was bought and paid for– you guessed it–by you, the people of the United States and they used that to murder America’s sons.

History will repeat itself if the Government doesn’t wise up soon, and they won’t unless they hear from you, me and the rest of the American public as we demand no more free rides for any country, and especially not Israel. America has its own ‘Right to Exist’ and no one, not even the Jewish state, should come before our own family and friends.

Phillip F. Tourney

Survivor, USS Liberty June 8 1967

Co-Host of The Liberty Hour Radio Program

Saturdays 0900 MST RBN

tonktime5@yahoo.com

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30 Responses to “Israel’s ‘Right to Exist’”
mike knapp Says:
July 29, 2008 at 5:12 am
Israel is the ultimate Golem. Out of death of millions of white Christians both American and European, the Israhell Golem of Death arose from the ashes of death & Hell.

In time this golem will be the ultimate undoing of the world.
Picture what they do to the palestinians both Christian and arab, is what the world has to look forward to.

In his book, “You Gentiles” the JEW in name only - Maurice Samuel states the following of his khazarian people erroneously called JEWS …. “We Jews, we are the DESTROYERS and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.”

It is this racialist supremacist attitude from the elite of JEWDOM whose arrogance and pride tell us exactly what they are. They are parasites. They could never live by themselves. Like parasites, they need a host body from which to feed off of. They create nothing of tangible value. Manipulating capitalism doenst create, just destroys.

Because these synagogue of Satan can not play nice in the sandbox of the world, we the free will eventually have had enough of their crap, and do what any good Dr would do, and that would be to excise them from the face of the earth. Unfortunately for us, that wont be until Father in the flesh - Christ returns in the role as the devouring lion. I am an impatient bastard. I want justice NOW dammit. Its time to tell Is-Ra-Hell and the Israeliens to go F-themselves, once and for all.
mk

anon Says:
July 29, 2008 at 5:44 am
Another great article, filled with truth. It sits on the internet for an audience of few. In the Zionist media, the winners and losers of game shows are studied and celebrated for an audience of millions while our sons are splattered into dog food fighting the enemies of a lawless, vile and putrid state.

What the Zionists do to the Palestinians they will do to us all, either with guns, or with poverty, via our Zionist-controlled central banking system.

I want to wake up others, but I don’t have money for a full page ad in the national newspapers, nor would they run an ad if I did have the money. When will we ever burn these parasites away?

Fr. John Says:
July 29, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Bravo- it is time REAL soldiers such as yourself stood up for the Whore that calls herself Biblical Israel, but is not! Rev. 2:8,9

IF only you had spoken up in 1967, we might have listened, and avoided all the multicultural claptrap the Deicides have foisted on us since then….

Patrick M. Griffin Says:
July 29, 2008 at 1:32 pm
There is a new book about to be published that everyone should get:

Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition and Deceit

Judaism Discovered represents painstaking research based on rigorous examination of all available exegetical sources. Deconstructing the rabbinic texts line by line, Michael Hoffman has discovered a terra incognita: Orthodox Judaism as the ideological survival of the most ossified traditions of Babylonian paganism, concealed beneath a complex system of dissimulation and misdirection. His unsparing thesis is a radical challenge to Judaism’s claims to Biblical provenance and probity.

“Hoffman brings to this difficult task…a commitment to long years of personal study and research that will commend this work to all serious readers…I have found his scholarship to be a highly accurate reflection of both the spirit and the content of Talmudic writings…” –Robert Countess, PhD., Professor Emeritus of New Testament, Tennessee State University

Capt. John Cavender Says:
July 29, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Israel Zionists the god of this world (Satan’s) chosen people! This dim ruler has three names:
Yaldabaoth is the first.
Saklas is the second.
Samael is the third. And the Zionists Jews his host of demons. It is written you will know them by there works! That is why the elders of Zion want to destroy Christ, and the Jews for the most part, have only hate for the name Jesus Christ. The good news is, Satan and his host of demons; That the time allotted to them is very very short now. For from the first to the last it’s always been “Christ Victories”

Mahmoud El-Yousseph Says:
July 29, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Phillip,

Great insight. Those who feel Israel comes first and America second are guilty of being traitors. Thank God you survived the assault on USS Liberty to tell us about it as an eye witness. There is no doubt in my mind, that June 8, 1967 is one of the darkest days in America’s history.

Yours in solidarity,

Mahmoud El-Yousseph

USAF Retired Veteran

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Joe Cortina Says:
July 29, 2008 at 4:00 pm
God bless you for your courage to state the truth Phil. I believe short of God interveening and destroying that hellhole of Satan FOREVER - our only hope here in ‘Tel Aviv West’ ( formerly known as the USA) is for a MAJOR military figure to show MORAL COURAGE and tell that sick drugged out alcoholic murdering treasonous bastard George the Jew — Bush to go straight to hell and rally REAL Christians here and REAL patriots here to take this TRULY OCCUPIED NATION BACK FROM THESE DEMONIC GODLESS LYING GREEDY GREASY BASTARDS! Within 24 months this country will be in total economic collapse - thanks to OUR OWN STUPIDITY! The bank failures are no longer my prediction when I removed my life savings from investment facilities. IT HAS ALREADY STARTED - the names are in the Jew news. We are hemmoraging to death - fighting for our economic and moral lives and the Jew TV continues with stupid childrens games and headlines about the rich beautiful famous and less than useless. Our medical system is on the verge of collapse - people with serious illessses are an grave danger and don’t have a clue — but there are always plenty of adds on the Jew tube showing us how to make our cocks harder and longer. For years now - when I speak or write - I have issued a challenge -I have thrown down the gauntlet of truth to all who will listen. I have challenged the self-chosen with an offer of cash money for the ability to truthfully identify ANY MAJOR MORAL SICKNESS THAT HAS BEFALLEN US IN THE LAST SEVERAL DACADES — that has — NOT — been an any way shape or form - the doing of the JEW! As you know all to well - these Jews squeal like the pigs they are - whine yell and cry foul at the SLIGHTEST challenge to their evil agendas - yet not one of these ‘children of Satan’ - has stood up to challenge my claim. Think about it. I rest my case! Keep up your good fight Phil. There are legions of us out there that our Jew run govt wants to keep silent about the truth. BUT the truth is the ONLY Thing that Satan - his offspring and his useful idiots like Bush - FEAR! Never forget what the Jew has done to our country - never give up!

LanceThruster Says:
July 29, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Phil,

Thank you for speaking out. I saw you in the powerful and compelling documentary “The Loss of Liberty” by Howard Films (to view go here: http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=104 ) It is shameful how many Americans (especially those in leadership positions) dismiss what happened to you and your shipmates so that Israel not suffer any discomfort or inconvenience.

“The willingness with which young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional as to how they perceive the veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their nation.” ~ George Washington

Jay Says:
July 29, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Why does israel have a right to exist? We don’t give rapists, murderers and theives the right to ‘exist’ - as a state at least - so why israel?

Phonk Says:
July 29, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Thanks Phhil

I would like to be reasonable to the facts.
The Zionist are doing their best for their cause and have the right to do so.
The American government and congress are doing their best for Israel.
US government and congress find the 2% Jewish voters more important than the 98% of the natives.
the reason is the 2% are so well organised and focused.
Now if Americans are intelligent enough to beat the 2% to their advantage the internet is their field.
US government sacrificed a billion with all the riches for a greedy devious little ungrateful state who wants more by the minute.
They want you to attack Iran…and they are not discreet or shameful about it they even dare to believe it is their right to order America to attack…….IMAGINE the consequences when it happens.

a jewish person Says:
July 29, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Below is something that the Zionists do not want you to see.

They are the 10 questions to the Zionists of the Slovak Jewish Leader Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl.

read the questions carefully - then read them again, and understand what they mean (noting carefully that the zionists came to an agreement with Hitler within a month of his coming to power in 1933 to get Jewish money out of Europe - but not maybe the people).

TEN QUESTIONS TO THE ZIONISTS
1. IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:

a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and

b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and

c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.
2. IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

3. IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:

a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.

b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a “Jewish State” at the end of the war.

c) No ransom will be paid
4. IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo’s offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.

5. IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved.

6. IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).

7. IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.

8. IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation “Only to Palestine!”

9. IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The “Jewish Agency” leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.

10. IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first “Jewish statesman” stated: “The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important”. Weitzman’s cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation “One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe”.

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groc22 Says:
July 29, 2008 at 11:48 pm
I totally agree with Phonk. Israel has achieved very remarkable results noone else can approach. They have total control over politicians and media not only in USA, but probably in most of the world. The fact that many democratic European countries have enacted laws against Holocaust dissenters, something even USSR or Communist China most likely would have done quietly, is enough to conclude that Zionists practically rule the civilized world, like it or not. And we can’t blame them - they indeed fight for their cause, using all means, financial, political, intelligence, for their benefit; mobilizing their community in every country like no other community does. If 98% can’t beat these 2% - actually, they don’t even try - and instead play their game, it’s 98% who should be blamed. I would think that the number of Arabs in USA is more than 2%, yet they have their tails tightly between their legs, and not a peep about any solidarity with their Palestinian brothers, not a demonstration, not a lobby (got no money?) - nothing. Super-rich Arab countries surrounding Israel behave like helpless victims, being attacked one after another round the clock - and again, no movement, no solidarity, nothing. The winner always takes it all, and the winner is clearly Israel.

Cesca Says:
July 30, 2008 at 12:12 am
Israel has no right to exist. Plain and simple. Palestine has every right to exist. They were there first. They were there 2000 years ago when the jews lost the war and CHOSE to abandon their country. 2000 years ago it was called Palestine, therefore the Palestinians have first dibs. They were never given that choice. In 1948 those lazy and greedy jews just walked in and took over. They have spent the last 60 years acting just like the Nazis did. Even worse than the Nazis. The jews did not die in gas chambers. MOST of them died of disease.
There are rumours that the true homeland of the jews was in what is now Saudi Arabia, NOT in Palestine. Apparently there are a number of hebrew place names along the red sea coast of Saudi Arabia. 2000 years ago there were no muslims so it would have been perfectly ok for the jews to go back to their homeland in saudi arabia.

Another theory I have heard is that the jews are not jews at all - notthing special. They are in fact the descendents of the EGYPTIANS who fled Egypt in the so called Exodus (for which there is NO physical or documentary proof at all) because they worshipped the ONE god (under Ahkenaten and his grandson Tutankhaten - better known as Tutenkhamen). When that dynasty died out then their religion was over thrown and the next dynasty went back to the multiple gods. That dynasty may have forced the egyptian “heretics” into exile.

There is no proof for this theory, but I like it. It makes sense for there to be NO documentary evidence of this heresy (other than some faces on the walls and columns being scratched out). And it fits with Moses. Moses was an egyptian name. No egyptians would DARE to raise a (supposed) SLAVE child in their palace. Therefore Moses must have been Egyptian. He killed an overseer and fled. Then he came back to lead the Heretics (who were being killed for not beleiving in the pantheon) to safety.

They did NOT spent 40 years in the Sinai. That peninsula is far too small for 1 million or more people to spend 40 years there WITHOUT retracing their path. But spending 40 years in the Saudi Arabian desert makes perfect sense. The Empty Quarter is so huge one can easily wander around from oasis to oasis and not retrace one’s steps.

These are theories, but there is no proof. Another theory says that the Jews (israelis) have done everything they could to destoy that evidence so that it cannot be found and used against them. The fact that the jews think nothing of telling lies and abusing/shooting arabs, tells me that the Jews are a savage and sadistic race. They were taught how to be savage by the Nazis, but they have taken it a lot further.

Now I am sure that other jews will cry racist and claim that I am anti-semetic and a jew hater. First they need to get their facts straight. The jews are NOT an ethnic group - never have been - unles you mean they are Khazars. They are ONLY a religious group. Another theory says that the jews were really khazars from Central Asia (what is now Kazakhstan etc). who converted to judaism. A religious group, NOT an ethnic group.

So yes I do hate jews and I dont give a damn about words. Anti-semitic is just a word - it cannot hurt me. Yes, anti-semitism has been legislated as a hate crime, but WHY are there hate crime laws against ONLY the jews and NOT against any other ethnic race? Why? That is very DISCRIMINATORY. Polpot was a sadistic dictator, and noone legislated any crime against him saying that it was wrong to be a cambodian hater. Same goes for the USSR and other communist countries. There is no hate legistaion against Uzbekistan or Angola, or even China - who have all abused human rights.

But the jews? no you are not allowed to hate them. They claim to be special. They CLAIM to be Gods chosen people. They are certainly not ACTING like Gods chosen people. If their God is the God of the bible - I want nothing to do with a sadistic bully, a jealous and very vengeful god.

Apologies for this being so long, but I thought you might want to know the thinking out in the real world.
Most of this comes from WRH.

sane Says:
July 30, 2008 at 7:31 am
Wow, this is some vile antisemitic stuff. A pity wordpress would put such crap on its front page. You people really suffer from serious delusions, get help!

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saudiecon Says:
July 30, 2008 at 7:39 am
hello
Israel as a statehood had no legal or moral right to exist in the first place. It was the make of British imperialism and on the expense of backward and helpless native population. The Jewish groups have all right to exist just like any other nation. But unfortunately over the years of Israeli dominance over US foreign politics and strong commercial ties with the world,, the right of existence of the Jewish population gradually lended the legitemacy to the state of Israel. Israel the government later on denied the Palestinian population their right to exist via brutal practices lessened over the years.

insidealbania Says:
July 30, 2008 at 7:51 am
Nice article,I have always been astonished by the lack of coverage in the media to the crimes committed against the Christian population, churches and historical sites in Palestine at the hand of the Israeli government. The native Christians have suffered just as much as the Muslims and many of you may not know that secular organizations such as the PLO and Fatah have Christians participating in them from the beginning of the struggle 60 years ago.

Leyla Says:
July 30, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Brilliant article . so rare to find brave honest people to tell the truth , many worry about their political careers , others about their daily column to disappear etc…
But , on the other hand jews impress me a lot . they stick together no matter what (sayanims ) and they will do anything for each other , sometimes behind the scenes and their children and grand children are pushed very hard to study and do well to reach the high places in most governments everywhere in the world , so Israel is well protected .
IF you check Most people who own the Media in the US , France , Canada , Britain it is jews so the zionists are not criticized much or protected all the time . If you check the main players in britain , you ll find that jews in the UK parliament helped the creation of Israel , from Balfour , to chaim weizman , to Nahum Sokolow to the rochilds family , to Herbert Louis Samuel etc…. so they think Long term .
Most jews who emigrated to America are now millionaires in Hollywood, wall street and in the Media business , same in Britain , canada and France .
I do not question their support for each other but i question how they can support the buildings of illegal settlments and cover up Israel s crimes , and continue to put pressure on the Decision makers ( AIPAC ?) and only their word Goes .
Im afraid there is not much we can do , unless we start exposing them and exposing the war crimes and ethnical cleansing they support in the Palestinian territories . I bet you anything Many people in the US do not know that so many children have been killed by israel soldiers, that 70 babies have died at the Horrible checkpoints , that many people have died because of lack of electricity and medicine in Gaza that the strangle etc…. I know lots of Americans are very decent compassionate people and i know they would be upset but unfortunately they are not told the truth .

Leyla Says:
July 30, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Cesca

you said Jews were chosen people and gods people , that s before they started turning against him , and turn their synaguogues to brothels , and steal and committ crimes , and design their own gods, and worship the golden calf , that s when God was very upset with them and told them they have lost that special status and they should be scattered among nations .

Jacob tricked his father Isaac to become prophet! David is an adulterer and a murderer! His son Solomon is even worse, he became an idols worshipper! Lut impregnated his two daughters! Aaron is the one who built the Golden Calf! Etc, etc. These most hideous crimes, just to list a few, are committed by people who God has chosen to become his prophets!

Leyla Says:
July 30, 2008 at 12:37 pm
groc22

Wow bravo . You said it all about the Arab s apathy in the US and in the Arab world . But those leaders are the ones who sold the Palestinian land to the zionists, starting with the King of Jordan (grandfather who was very friendly with Golda meir , used to meet her in secret , ) those leaders dont care about the palestinian cause , they worry about their thrones . as long as they keep quiet , they do not fear a coup from the US and CIA and the powerful zionists .
Did you know that one of the Ministers in Syria was Israeli jew , he was about to be promoted to Defense Minister then they found out he was a spy giving secrets how to take the Golan heights ( His name was Eli Cohen but in Syria he was known as Kamal Amin Ta’abet )

The saudis could cripple israel if they want to , by stopping the oil flow , and put pressure on israel to free the palestinians , but the saudis are despised and hated by Lots of saudi citizens and they prefer to invest in zionists businesses in the US , and help them as much as they can , and be generous to save their extended family to survive . same with the rest of them , all cowards and traitors . Abbas is following the money too . (im Arab by the way )

John Knight Says:
July 30, 2008 at 4:08 pm
I disagree that a nation of “Israel” has any “right to exist”. According to our very own Holy Bibles, which so many of us have sitting on our coffee tables but clearly never read nor understand, “Israel” is a PEOPLE, not a land, and Jesus clearly warned us that “jews” are NOT Israel, they are Esau. Even jewish “experts” agree:

“Edom is in modern Jewry” The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, Page 41

“The Edomites were conquered by John Hyrcanus who forcibly converted them to Judaism, and from then on they constituted a part of the Jewish people, Herod being one of their descendants”, The Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, (Garden City, NY: Doubleday & Company, Inc., 1966), pg. 594, AS WELL AS in the The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia (Garden City, NY: Doubleday & Company, Inc., 1977) p. 589

“From this time the Idumeans read: Edomites became an inseparable part of the Jewish people”, Encyclopedia Judaica Jerusalem, in Volume 8, page 1147

“When, years before, John Hyrcanus had forced Judaism on the Idumeans Edomites he evidently conjectured that the new, though unwilling, converts could learn to identify their own destiny with that of his people”, The Jews, their History, Culture, and Religion, pg. 121

But there is a final twist declared in Encyclopedia Judaica 1971 Vol 10:23: “JEWS BEGAN IN THE 19TH CENTURY TO CALL THEMSELVES HEBREWS AND ISRAELITES IN 1860″.

But who are these “jews” today? Certainly NOT even the people in “Israel”. The Palestinians are jews, making this conflict in “Palestine” just one more “good jew, bad jew” comedy routine that jews have been serving up for millennia now. And every single jew I ever met from “Israel” has openly admitted that their own government is aware that most immigrants are “Russians pretending to be jews”, which means that the tax dollars broken American tax payers fork over for “Israel” are actually going to Russia and never to the benefit of the so-called “holy land”.

What exactly is the genealogy of these “jews” who have cost us so dearly? We ask for more identification and proof from an applicant for a drivers license than we ask of a “jew” whose race has now cost us more than $1.6 TRILLION research Thomas Stauffer on the net. Many jews claim 98% of jews are descendants of the Khazars who “converted” to Judaism in the 9th Century AD–but I’ve traveled all over that territory and have YET to meet even one person who knows or agrees with such a proposition. I’ve also traveled all over Russia and have yet to meet either a Russian or a jew living in Russia who is NEVER referred to as a "Russian", as Russians are a race who are descendants of the Rus who would agree that any actual Russian would falsely claim to be a “jew” just so he could move to “Israel” and collect a lump sum payment equivalent to about 30 years worth of income in Russia.

With modern science and DNA testing and supercomputers on our desks and the internet and the world’s most massive research organizations and equipment, you’d think that it would be pretty easy to identify just who these people are who cost us TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS for no good purpose, other than to shoot ourselves in the foot every time they jump.

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cecil paul Says:
August 2, 2008 at 3:51 am
I am always amazed at the power of the “Jews” in the USA and the handing over of Palestine by the British, Europeans and Euro-Americans to Europeans and mixed Euro-Khazars posing as Biblical Jews. Was it compensation to the Khazars (converted Jews who usurped the name and history of the Jews of antiquity) then migrated to Europe,the Middle East and North Africa and were persecuted for centuries by racist elements in Europe because of their commercial entrepreneurship abilities, financial prudence and clanish culture? Some Historians has it that the Jews of antiquity were Egyptian/Cananites who fled to the land of Canan after a civil war in Egypt between the sons (of different wives) of the dead Pharoah’s Ramesses 1. The sons being Ramesses 11 who was groomed to be the succesor and Moses who was Egypt’s military Commander. Moses wanted to re-establish monetism(one god), end slavery of captured enemies and also claim the throne. Ramesses 11 wanted to retain the old order and suceed Ramesses 1. Moses was defeated and with the help of the Egyptian Slaves fled to one of Egypt nearest colonies Canan. It is said by Historians that Moses wounded in the civil war in Egypt died before entering Canan. His second in command Joshou overtrew and killed the Cananite Governor by deception (as he was one of Pharoah top leaders ) took over Canan, set up a fortress and an independent country, renamed Canan as Judah/Israel - the land of God’s people (Amonites). Amon being the name of the one God of the Pharoah Akenaton. Egypt despite several failed wars to regain Canan during this period was sucessively conquered by several nations in the Middle East and declined. Canan(Judah/Israel) itself was also conquered by several nations including the Babylonians, invaders from Italy and the Philistines (Sea People) from the Greek Aegean islands.Most of the Cananites/ Ancient Egyptians/Jews/Israelites were expelled by the Invaders to several parts of the Middle East and Africa including Egypt and Babylon(Iraq). However some of the original Cananites remained in Judah/Israel/Canan until the last conquest by the Arabs/Muslims in the 7th. century. The descendents of these Cananite/Ancient Egyptians/Jews/Israelites still live today in Palestine/Israel. There are interviews with these people who still call themselves Cananites. Those interested can go to “You Tube Cananites” to get their story. It will prove that despite horrors and sympathy for the oppression of the Khazars in Europe there is living proof that there is no difference between the Ancient Egyptians who still live in Southern Egypt( Ref: Nubians), the Jews of Antiquity and the Ancient Cananites(Ref:Cananite Woman,Cananite Boy) who still live in what is now known as Israel and Palestine.Their ethnicity when compared is identical. It is amazing.

Glen Davis Says:
August 2, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Let’s face it Isreal is a beggar society.They must continue to run the bogus Holocaust into the ground to continue to extort monies from countries that had nothing to do with it.It is about time that we cut doing business with the scammers and start thinking about Americans again. I have about washed my hands with America because of the way Americans are being railroaded to the poor house.I’am a 2 tour Combat veteran who’s last job also got rid of almost everybody because of the failed policies of this Administration. I cannot even get any type of assistence from any agency even though this is not of my doing. At this juncture I cannot even get a job Flipping hamburgers because I’am probably overqualified. Meanwhile Isreal is extorting Billions of Dollars from Americans over a 60 year rerun with no intention of stopping. They know they will get whatever they ask for off of Americans backs! Then they ask for your children to go fight wars for them. Hopefully Iran can save the world from the pure evil that Isreal has become! You Go Iran!

Mark Dankof Says:
August 2, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Phil Tourney, as usual, hits the nail right on the head. As the average American follows Phil’s argumentation to the same conclusion, he/she will simultaneously conclude that this presently lamentable state of affairs has been facilitated by treasonous acts emanating from a series of American Chief Executives, the Congress, both major political parties, and the news media. Aside from a miraculous change in direction, national catastrophe for the United States is just around the bend in the road.

groc22 Says:
August 3, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Leyla,

Yes, you are right about other Arab countries. They probably think they outsmarted others - until it’s their turn to be eaten. For the wolf, dealing with the hen will be even easier if the chicken have their internal inter-chicken issues. In the end, he will probably even be able to say that it’s them who have eaten themselves in the process.

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Ed of St.Lou Says:
August 3, 2008 at 3:02 pm
When we say today that Israel has the right to exist - we rather should say - that a nation that sponsor’s “State Sponsored Terrorism” has the right to exist.
Read following link. I agree with most everything except what is written in the first paragraph.

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/printer_3351.shtml

Senator Robert Graham informed Gwen Ifill that the U. S. was attacked on 9/11 by a Foreign Nation . This was State sponsored terrorism according to Bob Graham. Gwen Ifill asked than who attacked the U.S. ? Graham replied ” The Nation who attacked us will be hidden from the American people for at least 20 to 30 Years! He of course was speaking about the State of Israel - wrongly perceived as Amerika’s best friend

M. L. Boysen Says:
August 3, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Phil Tourney is a National Treasure to whom we are ALL grateful, for being a part of –and telling the world of —his part in American History, thereby proving we are NOT all simply paranoid by what so many of us can see as the slow destruction of our country by this little enclave of religious zealots squatting in the once beautiful ancient Palestine. Thank you Phil. We hope you continue to write and record the truth about the shameful tale of the USS Liberty in it every detail. We hope one day you will tell the details of the immediate aftermath of your ordeal in detail. Every one of us should know the possible fate of our own children who may find themselves in your place, their fates in the hands of an impersonal government and their lives just so many pegs on a map. What would happen if there was a war and no one went?! MLBoysen, california

nahida Says:
August 12, 2008 at 12:42 am
Zionist thieves… wake up to reality

you claim to be The Chosen above all nations
Yet cry isolation and world’s detestation!

You claim God promised you a land,
Whose people you dismiss
Their existence you deny

You kill, and expel… dispossess and displace
Humiliate and torture…
Ethnic cleansing and genocide
With multitude of evidence blatant and clear

You refute all facts
Lie with no remorse
Innocence you proclaim, climbing the moral higher ground

You exterminate and plead victim-hood
You seem to be unable to see
“Anti-Semitic’s” card is obsolete
Crocodiles tears work no more

You boast and brag and sing your own praises,
Then wonder why people are annoyed!

You claim you made the desert bloom,
While uprooting millions of trees

You claim civilization,
While destroying thousands of schools and homes

You claim to be the only democracy,
While gunning down elected leaders and supporting tyrannies

You claim your race is most intelligent,
When you are not even an ethnic group
How racist, how arrogant, your supremacist attitude

You claim your army to be most moral,
While breaking the bones of boys and girls
Shooting little ones in their mothers’ arms
And at check-points you stare at babies dieing
The minute they are born

You claim your actions to be the most humane,
While you murder, persecute and maim

You claim to be the light unto nations,
While displaying malice as jet-black nights

Committing acts of evil of extreme proportions
Unprecedented and unmatched
Then on TV screens, with straight faces and ghastly smiles,
Lie all about it
Under the watchful eyes of God and man

Can anyone surpass you with wickedness or mischief?

Army of zion, be prepared
A genuine advice from a heart that cares
What evil you do, harms no one but your own poor souls

Either wake up and heed the call
Make a U-turn, give back what you’ve stolen, and ask for forgiveness
Then maybe there’ll be hope

Or carry on planting seeds of your destruction
Rest assured… choosing that way
Only brings closer the day of your fall
.

theone23ord Says:
January 17, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Please read about judeo Nazis.

iamthewitness.com
wakeupfromyourslumber.com
whatreallyhappened.com

Help stop the lies.

Israel’s ‘Right to Exist’ « Silver Lining Says:
January 17, 2009 at 7:49 pm
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ME Says:
January 17, 2009 at 7:53 pm
ISRAEL AND ITS CRIMINALS HAVE NO RIGHT TO EXIST, THE WORLD AND GROUPS IN THE WORLD SHOULD EVICT THEM FROM THE LAND OF THE PALESTINIANS AND SEND THEM TO HELL WHERE THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR HABITAT. THEY DONT HAVE A PLACE IN THIS PLANET, WE SHOULDNT ALLOW THEM IN AGAIN!!!

http://ussliberty.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/israel%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98right-to-exist%e2%80%99/

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