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Thursday, August 6, 2009

As a Taxpayer to MBSA, I Fully Support the New Liqour Ruling

That’s right. I am a bona fide tax payer to the MBSA. That’s because my house is located within the MBSA jurisdiction and I am a taxpayer. Therefore, I fully want the new laws on liquor be applied to my housing area. My housing area is majority Muslims and I feel that such ruling must be applied to my area no matter what Ronnie Liu says.


Someone Needs to Address the Problem of Underage Drinking


It’s true. It’s a problem plaguing every developed nations. I know underage drinking is an apademic in America so much so that it has become one of America’s major problem at this moment.

We, in Malaysia, should be lucky that MBSA has taken a proactive step towards preventing the problem from becoming an apedemic in Malaysia. The trend now is that both parents are working and therefore there is very little time for child supervision. At this juncture it’s only right for the state to step in and help parents in their duty to raise their children.

Already our medias are spewing negative values 24-7, and for parents to prevent their children from falling into the underage drinking pitfall is even harder. If any, the MBSA should be lauded since it is clearly a step towards controlling the problem of underage drinking.

I do not want my children to be even be put in a situation where they are tempted to drink by peer pressure. To cut off supply is a very good way of guaranteeing that.

Nonsense if this is Viewed as Curtailing the Rights of the Minority

Anyone who suggests this is clearly talking nonsense, even though he/she is the MP of PJ Utara. I, for one, will tell my friends working and living in PJ Utara not to vote for this very arrogant man.

And there is a lot of my family who lives in PJ Utara. And I think I can even get the my family in SS3 not to vote for the man as well.

The ban only applies to convenience stores, grocery stores and Muslim restaurants. In Chinese and Indian restaurants in Muslim majority areas, the ban is not applied. So, how is this a form of minority rights curtailing?

It’s a stricter policy towards liquor. In Norway, only the government can sell liquor. At least, the MBSA still allows private entity to sell liquor. In Norway, only the government sells liquor. And no public advertising of liquor is allowed. Football teams bearing the insignia of liquor companies are prohibited from doing so, and such, they have to wear jerseys that is empty in front when they play in Norway. So will Norway be deemed as disrespecting minority rights as well?

So, what’s the big deal about the MBSA ruling? Why make a fuss when there’s so many other problems facing the people of Malaysia.

People like Tony Pua needs to grow up.

Tulang Besi

70 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sahabat kanan,

Berjaya betul dakwah PAS kat DAP.

Tgkla apa komentar DAP nak meraban kat blog hang ni wahai tulang Besi.

Apa2 pun, opinion hg pasal kita org islam xnak arak etc..aku sokong.

maw said...

memang patut pun dilarang jualan secara rambak dan terbuka,banyak burok dari kebaikan tanpa mengira bangsa atau agama.sometimes cannot stand watching your neighbour being roughened by a drunken family member.remaja bawah umur pun sudah pandai menegok shandy sama mudahnya membeli rokok dikedai.implement without fear or favour,sokong berjuta percent.untok yb.please walk the streets,talk to victims of drunk addicts anywhere,anyplace regardless of race and religion then afterthat you can come and story us.

Anonymous said...

They dont realy care about us.

They only care about their power and pockets.

Just talk and talk and continue to receive fat payroll months after months.

Hypocrites of all hypocrites.

C++ said...

Bhai...

Gua setuju betul ngan apa yang lu tulis kan tue...

It's a small matter indeed... but the way they (sic) elaborate it looks that it defy the minority.

Keith said...

While I agree that regarless of religion underage drinking is an issue and we should regulate alcohol sales in the country.

That being said, it is not illegal to sell alcohol...even in Shah Alam.

It is ILLEGAL to confiscate the retailers merchandise.

Ronnie and Tony did what was right in the eyes of the law. The MBSA have no legal authority to remove the beer, and the beer has to be returned.

The problem a lot of people have with this is an imposition of Muslim beliefs on the non-muslims.

Why is there no call for cigarette sale bans? When underage smoking is a far bigger problem than underage drinking.

The only reason they targetted beers was for religious purposes and an imposition of religious beliefs on others.

Until there is a legal enactment in place to allow MBSA officers to remove perfectly legal beer from the store, the MBSA officers acted outside their power and should be reprimanded.

There is no argument there...it was not the right thing to do, and Tony and Ronnie are merely speaking up for the retailer who was well within his rights in selling the beer.

camcamni said...

What you say about the vices of alcohol is fully supported by me. You have miss the point that by not allowing such sales in Shah Alam, will the problem of Muslims drinking be solved?

Its the faith in own religion and what about lots of Malay youth doing dadah? and what about such people being Mat Rempits?

Do you ban Malay youth who are drug takers from being present in Shah Alam?

Do you ban Malay youth as Mat Rempits from riding motorcycles? Are these not haram too?

Its actually the rule of the law here and not in the can sell or cannot sell.

If Selangor state issues a ruling that from today, all alcohol are not to be sold in Shah Alam esp in Muslim areas, then there will be no problems. Why jump the gun to act when there is such a meeting to this matter? Its all due to Hassan Ali and some overzealous PAS members who are trying to exert their influence and power and maybe trying to stir the hornets nest to made trouble for PR so the toyol can make a comeback to finish his Toyol Istana. Look at all sides please.

Anonymous said...

Formula 1 has banned tobacco and liquor ads and sponserhips long time ago.

Anonymous said...

Alcohol laws give Europe a headache
By Jennifer Rankin
14.05.2009 / 04:15 CET
The EU wants to tackle abuse but has shied away from alcohol legislation.
Champagne, wine, beer and vodka are some of Europe's best-known exports. But alcoholic drinks, so intimately tied up with national pride, history and the EU's balance of payments, have a well-known flipside.

Alcohol abuse is a drain on the public purse: the cost of traffic accidents, absenteeism, crime and other alcohol-induced ills add up to 1.3% of EU gross domestic product, according to the European Commission. Around 195,000 Europeans die each year through alcohol-related causes, which includes one-quarter of deaths among men aged 15-29.

National health policies and different drinking cultures mean that alcohol is a sensitive subject for the EU. Northern Europeans have problems with binge-drinking. Southern Europeans have some way to go to tackle drink-driving. Given these differences, the Commission has shied away from legislation. Part of its approach is to publish information on national policies, with the aim of comparing strengths and weaknesses.

The latest reports, from 2007, showed that Sweden had taken a tough approach on restricting advertising to young people, Lithuania had strict laws on advertising but moderate enforcement and Greece had significant gaps in its policy, such as having no nationwide education programmes.

Voluntary commitments
The Commission's other big idea is to encourage the drinks industry to tackle alcohol abuse. The Commission's health department has convened a group of corporations and health campaigners, with the idea that they will make voluntary commitments to take action. The 60 members of the European Alcohol and Health Forum have made more than 100 such commitments, mostly about providing information. The forum, which is modelled on a similar initiative dealing with nutrition, raises familiar questions about the value of self-regulation.

Jamie Fortescue, the director-general of the European Spirits Organisation, says that the forum needs more time to prove itself. But he is sceptical about whether tough laws on advertising have any effect. “Anyone who goes to Gothenburg on a Saturday night will know that the Swedish approach does not work,” he says, adding that “the jury is still out” on a link between advertising and alcohol abuse.

But health campaigners would like to see EU laws tackling alcohol abuse. Last month, the European Public Health Alliance called for a ban on alcohol advertising that appeals to children and adolescents. This follows an article in the Clinical Medicine Journal which found that advertising encourages young people to drink alcohol and drink heavily. Perry Anderson, the doctor who wrote the article, says that an EU-wide ban on advertising could prevent 5% of all alcohol-related deaths.

Scientists have also produced a report for the EU's alcohol forum which concludes that alcohol marketing increases the likelihood of teenagers starting to drink.

The debate about the merits of self-regulation is set to continue.

Anonymous said...

EU booze law is tripe, says mayorBuzz up!
Digg it
John Hooper in Rome
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 26 July 2009 19.07 BST
Article history

The mayor of Florence will launch a campaign of civil disobedience this week aimed at defending the Tuscan's right to a enjoy a tipple with tripe.

For as long as anyone can recall, Florentines have broken off from shopping in the city's exuberant street markets to enjoy a tripe roll, washed down with a shot of red wine known as a gottino.

But on Wednesday a new law against selling alcohol from street stalls, inspired by Brussels, comes into effect that will make the provision of this simple pleasure a criminal offence.

Almost 200 trippai (tripe-sellers) and other street vendors risk fines of up to €12,000 (about £10,400) if they are caught selling wine. The fines soar to as much as €30,000 for illegal sales after midnight.

"This law is a disgrace and absolutely has to be abolished", said the newly appointed mayor, Matteo Renzi, 34. "If any of my councillors feel otherwise, let them drink Coca-Cola – and then leave the majority group" on the council.

The new act brought Italy into line with the rest of the European Union to clamp down on hooliganism fuelled by the easy availability of alcohol sold outside football stadiums and elsewhere.

Renzi said he would be going to a trippai to order a tripe roll on Wednesday and intended to down a gottino with it. "I am sure that when I look round I won't find fines and censors, but lots of friends with a roll and a glass of wine," he told the newspaper Corriere della Sera.

Anonymous said...

Yes. Please tell your friends and family members in PJ Utara to vote MCA the next election.

And I'll tell my friends in Shah Alam to vote UMNO.

Then forever we will have the UMNO-BN led Govt.

Imagine if we have a Pakatan lead Federal Govt. Every other week we will hear of this Cabinet minister telling another Cabinet minister to resign. How to govern like that?

Anonymous said...

Hi TB,

As a non-muslim and casual drinker, I too agree with limiting the sales of alcohol in the places you mentioned and will support it. I am also a Shah Alam voter who voted for Pas.


What I cannot support is the 'drama' by parties involved. Laws are already there, what is needed is enforcement.

Ronnie Liu is not right in ordering MBSA to return the beer, he should lodge a report against those officers for not following existing law.

Hassan Ali should not have called for his resignation and speak of laws which not yet exist.

BOTH are acting beyond their authority and dramatizing things for their own gains. Just like Wee Choo Keong who is now strangely silent and refuse to allow comments on his blog for anything related to TBH. One wonders why.


At this rate, PR is FINISHED by next election as some voters will think better the devil they know than one they don't.


One last thing: I wouldn't be so harsh on Tony Pua and call him arrogant just for this as you've been doing for two articles. He might have missed the angle about proper protocol as far as Ronnie Liu is concerned with MBSA; but Hassan Ali's unilateral announcements too is arrogant and completely out of place.


So should I go around calling on all my non-muslim friends to stop voting for PAS in next election? It is not about the beer lar, it is about the conduct of both parties not behaving maturely as representatives and not inducing confidence in their voters, if we can stop being emotional about it.

Anonymous said...

NO MORE VOTING FOR DAP OR PAS. LET'S VOTE FOR MCA AND UMNO......."BETTER VOTE THE DEVIL YOU KNOW THAN THE UNKNOWN ANGEL"! YEAAAAAAAH,THAT WILL BE PR13 MOTTO FOR ALL.

Tulang Besi said...

What I cannot support is the 'drama' by parties involved. Laws are already there, what is needed is enforcement.

Ronnie Liu is not right in ordering MBSA to return the beer, he should lodge a report against those officers for not following existing law.

Hassan Ali should not have called for his resignation and speak of laws which not yet exist.
.

I totally disagree with what Hasan Ali has done. I think it was unprofessional and with bad faith.

Ravin P said...

Banning something only makes it go underground and blackmarket which makes it even more difficult to control and manage. It's like the drug problem in any country. Yes all of us know that it doesn't exist. You remind me of an ostrich. This is plain cause and effect. The laws are there to prevent alcohol from being sold to under aged kids and Moslems so why aren't there any enforcement? Why aren't we investigating these stores for not following the law? Why aren't Moslems faithful to the religion? Instead you cover up these weakness rather then solving them by imposing a useless law.

Anonymous said...

I enjoy visiting ur blog. I understand your wish not to have alcohol sold in ur neighborhood.

Firstly economics. If there is no one purchasing the said product, the retailers will not be stocking it. Every non-selling item is a cost.

Hence there are people purchasing alcohol in Shah Alam given that the retailers are stocking the product.

Secondly, by banning an item, it becomes more interesting. More people would want to check it out, try it out, etc.

Thirdly, if the item is banned, then people will try and manufacture their own versions. This is even more dangerous.

Instead of banning the said product, there are 2 ways to go about it without breaking Federal laws viz:
i) ignore the item whose manufacture leads to the employment of many bumi gals and guys;
ii) boycott shops that sell those products, and inform the staff, shopowners, that you have decided not to purchase anything there becoz they are selling a particular product. This is a moralsuasion tactic.

Bob

Anonymous said...

As a Taxpayer to MBSA, I Fully Support the New Liqour Ruling

Since when there is new liqour ruling?

They (MBSA) acted ilegally to confisticate beers from 7/11

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous August 6, 2009 8:50 AM:

Islam melarang orang muslim minum arak tetapi tidak melarang yang bukan Islam minum.

Didalam duniamu hanya ternampak orang Islam sahaja. Bagaimana pula kepada yang lain?

Anak Perelih said...

To anonymous August 6, 2009 2:11 PM ...

Islam juga melarang orang Muslim menanam anggur untuk dibuat arak, islam juga melarang Muslim memproses, membungkus, mengedar, menjual dan menghidang arak.... Di kebanyakan kawasan majoriti Islam, kebanyakan yang bekerja di 7-11 adalah muslim... jika 7-11 dikawasan itu menjual arak... adakah anda mahu muslim melakukan sesuatu yang ditegah agamanya??? Mana dia rights dia sebagai Muslim??? Banyak orang bukan Muslim tak faham tentang hukum ini

Tulang Besi said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a Taxpayer to MBSA, I Fully Support the New Liqour Ruling

Since when there is new liqour ruling?

They (MBSA) acted ilegally to confisticate beers from 7/11
.

Kelantan government have been using the same provision of the law that MBSA is doing for the last 18 years.

Yet, not a single legal action was taken against the various Kelantan local councils.

So, i think you need to get a better legal advise.

camcamni said...

I, as a Chinese, dont drink but I dont stop other Chinese from drinking but I teach my children the bad values of drinking and smoking and dadah too. Today my children are in their 20s and they dont drink and dont smoke and dont take dadah. I am satisfied.

As a Muslim, you are taught that drinking is haram but if a Muslim wants to drink, he will face your Allah for punishment. Its true, if no one buys from any 7-11 shops then they will not stock any beers. But to ban 7-11 from selling, then these drinking Muslims will go to places to buy their drinks and its back to square one.

The real owners of 7-11 are Muslims and why dont PAS go after them? Go after trhe hotels where alcohol are sold and we can see many rich and VVIP Muslims drinking.

It all boils down to the teachings we give to our children and as a multiracial country, we can allow such sales but if the law prevents such sales, I dont mind but its the seizure that was not in tandem with the Selangor PR which should have come to a general consensus that this ruling will be carried out on a dateline.

Can they come to a consensus on issues and not wash dirty linens in public?

Tulang Besi said...

camcani,

It's great that your children are obedient and respectable because they have respectable parents.

But, when you're addressing the community, u have to address everyone, including those children not having good parents.

So, such ruling may not benefit u but it may benefit other children who do not have the privilage such as your children have.

As for 7-11, their owners are Malays but from UMNO. UMNO are as supportive of liqour as anyone else.

Tulang Besi said...

From an economic standpoint, we can always increase the price of canned and bottle beer to a level no school children can afford.

But Local Authorities does not have that jurisdiction. Only the Federal government does.

Therefore, the current option is the best that local councils can do to address the problem of underage drinking.

Tulang Besi said...

Yes. Please tell your friends and family members in PJ Utara to vote MCA the next election.

And I'll tell my friends in Shah Alam to vote UMNO.

Then forever we will have the UMNO-BN led Govt.
.

If i'm not mistaken, the blogger Jed Yoong has always maintained that Tony Pua is an MCA agent.

And Jeff Oii is a former Gerakan operative.

Anonymous said...

if you want to control the sale of beer to muslims, is total ban an answer? when you say a place if muslim majority, what is the acceptable figure defined as majority...50.1%? 51% 60%, 70%, 99%? if the issue is of restricted sales, then outright ban in certain areas based on vague parameters will of course work...but we get to the sticky issue of the rights of the beer drinkers to buy their beer from a shop near to them. if an outright ban is not feasible due to the problem of vague parameters and the very real rights of non-muslim msians, then why can't we have a more practical way of restricting sales...which is no different to the restricted sales of cigarettes and lottery/4D? smoking has been declared as haram, if i'm not mistaken, by a national fatwa...but why is it still being sold in all sorts of shops, albeit with the restriction (no sale to below 18).

in any case, until clear policies and laws are made with regards to this issue, what the mbsa officer has done is illegal, and 7-11 could easily sue the pants off mbsa. policies of course should reflect balance of interest among all...and do not reflect blatant imposition of a certain world view on all others who do not subscribe to such.

int said...

"If i'm not mistaken, the blogger Jed Yoong has always maintained that Tony Pua is an MCA agent... And Jeff Oii is a former Gerakan operative."

You just couldn't resist la hah... had to go there la hah...

Hello... which party was it that went and snuggled up to UMNO Selangor immediately after the GE? Still wanna talk about who is a BN operative?

DO NOT EVER dispute DAP's sincerity. You are not qualified. Of the 3 parties that form Pakatan, DAP is the only one that has consistently stood against BN. PKR has a core of UMNO rejects (including their head), and PAS was once in Barisan Nasional, and until now there is still a faction that wants to play play with UMNO.

DAP's grassroots strives for a more liberal Malaysia - there is no denying that, and we can always argue about whether we want Malaysia to be a more liberal country or not, that is a matter of personal beliefs, and we can argue it from different perspectives in the hopes of finding the best compromises for the future direction of the country.

But please la brother, don't try to play this game of accusing people of being agents for other parties etc. Don't start a discussion about which party is more loyal to Pakatan. Because I guarantee you, between DAP and PAS... not to say DAP is perfect, there are blemishes including a few defections over the last 20 years due to intra-party personality politics... but in general, as a party, DAP has always stood against BN. History is there to prove it.

Now, can we go back to talking about this ban? Since you say this is about underage drinking, then it's a Malaysian issue, not a Muslim issue, and we all have a stake in this. Why do we only care about the children in Shah Alam, what about the children in Cheras?

int said...

Personally I am against the ban, but I will respect the wishes of the residents of the area to control alcohol sale regulations of their area, PROVIDED it is clearly the will of the people and not a few noisy fellas.

In other words, I will support and respect the outcome of a referendum on this issue.

Shah Alam can make history by being the first municipality in the country to organize a referendum like this for the first time since... I dunno when. Maybe since independence.

Tulang Besi said...



DO NOT EVER dispute DAP's sincerity. You are not qualified. Of the 3 parties that form Pakatan, DAP is the only one that has consistently stood against BN. PKR has a core of UMNO rejects (including their head), and PAS was once in Barisan Nasional, and until now there is still a faction that wants to play play with UMNO.
.

No one's disputing the sincerity of battle tested DAP leaders; Ronnie Liu, Guan Eng, LKS, Teresa, Lim Poh Kuan and many more.

But these new faces, Jeff Oii, Tony Pua etc, their sincerity is yet to be proven.

And it was jed yoong who says Tony Pua is an MCA agent, not me.

Tulang Besi said...

Personally I am against the ban, but I will respect the wishes of the residents of the area to control alcohol sale regulations of their area, PROVIDED it is clearly the will of the people and not a few noisy fellas..

It's not a ban. It's restriction on alcohol 8.8% and below.

In Malay majority areas, alcohol can still be sold in Chinese and Indian restaurants etc.

So it's not a ban.

Tulang Besi said...

In the case of Section 8, Shah Alam, the residents have been protesting since the days of BN rule.

Anonymous said...

Me no care Tony Pua MCA agent or Jeff Ooi Gerakan spy. Me only know when given mandate, govern properly. If no govern properly I will not support. Like this Ronnie "Gangster" Liu, it is better for him to resign and save Selangor govt all the embarassment.

Shah Alam is never a happening place and will never be. It is intended to be a peaceful family man place. Ronnie "Gangster" Liu want liquor? He can go to Bukit Bintang and drink till he drops dead.

And I am speaking for a lot of right thinking Chinese.

Ang Teck Seng said...

Simple economic formula: No demand, no supply

Zulkhairi said...

Salam, TB, it is a pleasure following yr blog. However in this issue, i am not sure whether "addressing underage drinking" is the real issue here.

The issue of underage buying beers at 7-11 is moot. The risk of my son going to 7-11 to buy beer because of peer pressure is also moot. They are moot because if the Kedai Cina, kedai India and Hypermarket are selling. If my son (na'uzubillah)wants to drink he would go there.

Sum up, i am all for advancement of Islam but i think, we are a bit rilled over a non issue here. Salam.

int said...

As far as mainstream Malaysians are concerned it is a ban. You can thank the media for that, including Malaysiakini, for the sensational headlines.

Or maybe we should blame Hassan Ali for communicating this issue in such a messy way.

The best way now is to have a referendum, then noone can accuse anyone of furthering any agenda other than the rakyat's agenda. Instead, it's now on the MB's shoulders, and we have to wait for him to do his political mathematics to decide which group gets to win this time.

Btw, Tulang Besi, I'm sure you're busy, but I would appreciate it if you could give some feedback to my comments in response to your claim that this issue is about underage drinking... i.e:

1) Underage smoking - isn't this a problem as well, since you say your main priority is underage drinking?

2) Is this a Malaysian issue or a Muslim issue? If this is about underage drinking then it cuts across all religions, and it should be relevant to the whole of Selangor, not just the Muslim areas.

Half Truth said...

Do not enforce one's religion belief to other. All the 4 great religion guru ie Buddhism, Christan, Hinduism and Islam in this world had mentioned it their respective religious teaching.

They do encourage thier followers to respect other people religion and belief itself. Conversion of other should be willingness basis.

Sad to see and Malaysian people still unable to understand the true meaning of it and live up to it.

Malaysian politician are fond of using the name of religion and belief to achieve thier individual political vision. When can the politician learn how to respect other people belief.

Anak Perelih said...

First of all.. What Hassan Ali mention was not a blanket ban but a restriction... and these restrictions only applies to kedai runcit, 7-11 and Muslim restaurants.... and in Muslim majority areas. In these kind of areas, those who manned the counter especially at 7-11 are Muslims. And based on the comments wrote in Malaysiakini Vox Populi, I found that nearly all the writers are ignorant about Islamic law concerning alcohol consumption. Muslim are not only forbidden to drink alcohol.. but all activities in producing it as well as in selling and serving it.. Thus, Muslim who manned the 7-11 felt their rights as a Muslim was violated when they have to sell alcohol....

The sensitivity of having a shop selling alcohol in Muslim majority area is akin to having a shop selling beef in a Hindu majority area... and this what makes the residents in Section 8 to protest for the selling of alcohol at Section 8 7-11 outlet. ... To have a unity between races and religions in this country, we should be more concern with others race or religion sensitivity. We should respect other believe and cultures. Without this sense of sensitivity, we will have racist and religious bigots around us....

BTW.. I felt that we should have more controls on outlets selling alcohol as being practiced in some states in the US where minors are not allowed to buy alcohols there.. and to apply it here.. minors and Muslims should not allowed to buy it... some procedure and checking should be implemented and I think the only outlets that can do this procedure/checking is the one licensed to sell alcohol as they need to maintained their license. Other outlets like what we currently have will not really implements this procedure/checking properly as what we can see with the selling of cigarette to minors - They still sells it to minors....

Anonymous said...

pakatan should not show without direction governance.
religous should put aside.
if everyone realy k thier children future. pakatan state should start to look to underage smoker rate raising. why pas not agains it? because smoking is not prohibited in muslim. but this is wrong.
we are towards onPR for all.
I suggest put cctv at selling counter. and authority should go spot check the recording often.

Anonymous said...

you are wrong ! even in majority indian / chinese area, also cannot restricted selling beef.!
respect to other race.
same if malay majority area, also cannot banned on selling BAK KUT TEH food !

Anonymous said...

if blame convinient shop selling beer will easy for innocent youngster go buy beer...? so better banned hardware shop or market which selling knife ..EASY TO BUY AND ROBBE PPL MA

int said...

Anak Perelih said:

"... minors and Muslims should not allowed to buy it... some procedure and checking should be implemented and I think the only outlets that can do this procedure/checking is the one licensed to sell alcohol as they need to maintained their license."

I agree 100% with this... we must make sure minors cannot purchase, and okay also that Muslims cannot purchase. In this way we enforce regulations in a surgical/decisive manner... achieve our goals (curb underage and Muslim drinking) without too many unwanted side effects (such as creation of underground kongsi gelap alcohol sales, which I assure you already happens a lot in KL for sellers who want to avoid paying taxes).

And most importantly, we must implement this without making a distinction between muslim/non-muslim areas... it must be the same in kampung baru as it is in seputeh, baru kita boleh panggil ini satu polisi Bangsa Malaysia/Ketuanan Rakyat!

Daniel Toffee said...

You are missing the point here. You can support the "new liqour ruling" but can't support the action of MBSA because they acted illegally.
What they did was illegal. Don't have to cite the example in Kelantan. No one challenge doesn't mean it's alright. Just like someone can rob you and you do not lodge a police report, but that doesn't mean the robber did not commit any crime.

konek said...

This is nonsense la. Malaysia is doing nonsense as usual. It is a nonsense country now.

Tulang Besi said...

Anonymous Daniel Toffee said...

You are missing the point here. You can support the "new liqour ruling" but can't support the action of MBSA because they acted illegally.
What they did was illegal. Don't have to cite the example in Kelantan. No one challenge doesn't mean it's alright. Just like someone can rob you and you do not lodge a police report, but that doesn't mean the robber did not commit any crime.
.

I quoted the example of Kelantan to show that there is provisions in our laws that allows the action taken by MBSA.

It's easier compared to going into the technicalities of the law.

The fact that it's been 18 years and the Kelatan various municipalities has never been sued shows that what MBSA is doing is within the limits of the law.

San said...

I was right all along:

PAS is double faced! It wants a Taliban styled Islamic state, in a dynamically multicultural Malaysia! Pathetic!

PAS extremists want to be primitive Taliban power maniacs enforcer; go ahead. But move to Taliban land or Saudi Arabia!

Tony Pha and Ronnie Liu is right on - DAP and PKR better not betray liberal or non-Muslims!

Thank God; I am saved from this Taliban evilness!

Tulang Besi said...



PAS is double faced! It wants a Taliban styled Islamic state, in a dynamically multicultural Malaysia! Pathetic!

PAS extremists want to be primitive Taliban power maniacs enforcer; go ahead. But move to Taliban land or Saudi Arabia!
.

Is Norway and Sweden Taliban countries too for being strict on alcohol sales?

ruyom said...

Some real news update:

Foreign investment has also seen a big dip this year, with foreign direct investment for the first five months stood at RM4.2 billion compared to RM46 billion in 2008.

Yet here are the responses:

(1) BN vows to keep the ISA but not our constitutional rights to compulsory fair trial and individual freedom to assembly and speak out

(2) DPM supports Utusan articles on race stirring and uprising

(3) Flip flop on education policy

(4) IGP Musa uncertain about future, but Malaysians are feeling safe in Malaysia?

(5) 21st century global challenges but 19th century government = a laughing stock, brain drain, backwardness……….

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Anonymous said...

I quoted the example of Kelantan to show that there is provisions in our laws that allows the action taken by MBSA.

It's easier compared to going into the technicalities of the law.

The fact that it's been 18 years and the Kelatan various municipalities has never been sued shows that what MBSA is doing is within the limits of the law.


OMG, that is by-law applicable to respective district/city which has passed and enacted it.

There is no such by-law in Shah Alam. This is confirmed by Shah Alam mayor Mazalan Md Noor.

Anonymous said...

My comment to :

http://zorro-zorro-unmasked.blogspot.com/2009/08/win-war-ge13-first.html

Don't be silly. You want non-muslim to help you win GE and enforce nationwide blanket ban?

I would rather vote for BN despite its inherent problems because at least it does not affect me personally.

Anonymous said...

To: August 6, 2009 2:21 PM

Carilah kerja lain jika kerja sekarang ni dikatakan haram

Tak dengar orang yang vegetarian (orang yang makan sayur-sayuran sahaja) mengadu pasal nak haramkan penjualan daging?

Anonymous said...

Hindu, Buddha ,Kristian dan byk agama lg melarang arak..

yg xada agama je suka arak ni, jenis komunis xada pegangan..

Anonymous said...

Kepada August 6, 2009 7:06 PM

Jika ilmu anda cetek terhadap agama-agama yang lain, sila mintalah nasihat daripada rakan/orang yang lebih tahu.

Setahu saya yang agama buddha pun terdapat 2 golongan.

Golongan pertama iaitu sami memang tidak boleh meminum arak

Golongan kedua yang beragama buddha tetapi tidak menjadi sami boleh minum arak

Agama lain seperti taoisme (sebagai contoh orang yang menyembah kuan guan) bukan sahaja boleh tetapi memang menjadi amalan biasa.

Tak percaya tanyalah orang-orang cina

Anonymous said...

All lawmakers should respect the laws. After all they are the ones who wrote them.
How can they instigate people to act beyond what is provided in the laws.
Surely if any of the provisions are deemed inappropriate it is within their power to amend.

Puzzled!

Visual Basic .Net said...

August 6, 2009 11:54 AM Keith said: The only reason they targetted beers was for religious purposes and an imposition of religious beliefs on others.

Oh yeah that is the point why Barisan Alternative failed kaw kaw in past election

And PR won 5 states in GE12 because "PAS for all" slogan

Anonymous said...

Kepada August 6, 2009 7:15 PM

sy mmg xphm pasal Buddha..
pasal apa sami Buddha xminum arak, bkn Sami Buddha bule minum arak?

stahu aku, Sami Buddha ni ketua agama diaorang..

sekadar bertanya...

Ronni Tiu said...

..blurpp..aku pening..

Tulang Besi said...

OMG, that is by-law applicable to respective district/city which has passed and enacted it.

There is no such by-law in Shah Alam. This is confirmed by Shah Alam mayor Mazalan Md Noor.
.

That's what people claim Mazalan Md Nor says. But, the full board meeting of MBSA says otherwise.

The full board meeting of MBSA has decided on this law.

Tulang Besi said...


Don't be silly. You want non-muslim to help you win GE and enforce nationwide blanket ban?

I would rather vote for BN despite its inherent problems because at least it does not affect me personally.
.

I'm sorry but i've never seen anyone so selfish such as you.

Don't u care about how other people feel? about other families? about other parents worried about their children? about controlling under-age drinking?

U only care about yourself.

camcamni said...

I guess PAS should actually propose to Selangor PR Govt to either ban all Muslim workers from working in the Carlsberg factory and also all alcohol linked factoeries and centers too. So without enough workers, the factpry will shift out to another BN controlled state and problem solved in Selangor esp Shah Alam.

All that has been said, it all boils down to EDUCATION and the WILL POWER of each religion and their religious upbringing.

I have always voted opposition and mr 2 children (1st time voting) were asked by me to vote for PAS in Chempaka state seat in Pandan for Iskandar. Now I have to reevaluate this decision as they asked me why PAS is coming up with all these issues and Hassan Ali wanting to get rid of Ronnie Liu is the last straw. They said they would rather spoilt their votes then vote BN or PAS.

PAS, DAP and PKR should always look at working very closely together and any issues should be discussed and resolved behind closed doors and not in public. We Selangor voters gave PRthe mandate to rule for a change and now many are having regrets for making the change as it looks like its the change for the worst. Many of my friends are having 2nd thoughts about voting PR anymore and compared to BN, they felt BN is still better as UMNO lords over all and you dont see such issues as calling for replacement of Excos being uttered in the public....Bless All....time to do repair to all the damages or else its going to be only a "1 Time Wonder" rule for PR as said by LKS.

Anonymous said...

The problem is Barua UMNO Dr.Hassan Ali is the one who is all the time "fatwaing".The real agenda is to create problemlah,to break up Pakatan.Dr.hassan is a smart arse hole.He wants to bcome the MB of Selangor.He knows in DAP,there r lot's budak mentah,a nd since he has the support frm UMNO pukimaks,he has the confidence utk berfatwa and attack the budak mentahs.

Anonymous said...

Lot's of UMNO bums r drunkered arse holes.Even the royal stouts suka sangat likur.Who knows,this biro tatanegara fark nut called Dr Hassan himseself suka taroh 2 tiga botoi secretly.Actors like Dr.hassan should have been kicked out long time ago,but,the problem is otak of certain PAS National leaders tak betui,satu kaki taroh dlm UMNO,satu kaki taroh dlm Pakatan.

Anonymous said...

Ruling ni apa? Ada undang-undang yang mengharamkan jualan alkohol di 7-Eleven ke? Kalau tak de, kena gubal dan dapatkan undi di Parlimen dulu.

Nimalan said...

The Mayor himself has declared that it is not the law. While some people claim that the Council said that it is, there is no hard proof of that. No reports in newspapers. Only the quote from the Mayor which he has never disputed.

Why ban alcohol at all? Just do ID checks EVERYWHERE to make sure the person is not Muslim. That way,instead of just letting the people of Shah Alam go a bit further to buy alcohol, Muslims can't buy it AT ALL.

And why Tulang Besi, hae you not stood up to ask for a blanket ban on cigarettes as well. After all this should not be about religion, but our citizen's well-being.

Lastly, vote for UMNo for what. You sad yourself that the people of Shah Alam has been calling for this ban for a long time. But UMNO DID NOTHING. So I can't see how they're better

Anonymous said...

The Mayor himself has declared that it is not the law. While some people claim that the Council said that it is, there is no hard proof of that. No reports in newspapers. Only the quote from the Mayor which he has never disputed.


This is called spin doctor

Anonymous said...

if the muslim betray their own religion and drink alcohol, there is not the law can stop them. Even you ban alcohol selling, there is still a way to get it if they want to. If they do not want to drink, even there is free alcohol for them, they will know what to do. You can only teach and educate, you can not force. so you are totally wrong.

Anonymous said...

Gambling & drinking is prohibited by Islam and all the muslims "should / must" know that.. if a muslim went to buy a bottle of beer, who is at fault? R u telling me that musliman is right? His faith is not strong enough and not the person who is selling it.

It's just like u telling me a guy rapes a girl, and u r telling me that it's the girl fault to be there!! If she is not there, there will be no rape.

No sale of beer = no drinking? He can always go to MPSJ/MPK area if he cant find it in MBSA area. It's that musliman's problem.

Tulang Besi said...

The problem is Barua UMNO Dr.Hassan Ali is the one who is all the time "fatwaing".The real agenda is to create problemlah,to break up Pakatan.Dr.hassan is a smart arse hole.He wants to bcome the MB of Selangor.He knows in DAP,there r lot's budak mentah,a nd since he has the support frm UMNO pukimaks,he has the confidence utk berfatwa and attack the budak mentahs..

Agreed. 100%

Tulang Besi said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ruling ni apa? Ada undang-undang yang mengharamkan jualan alkohol di 7-Eleven ke? Kalau tak de, kena gubal dan dapatkan undi di Parlimen dulu.
.

Ruling passed by MBSA Full Board meeting

Anonymous said...

Saudara

What about this comment on the issue of arak in selangor.

Banning insults Muslim mentality and maturity.

Enforcement should be the answer, not banning.

Looks like Kelantan Malays/Muslims are better than west coast Malays. PAS does not ban alcohol in Kota Bharu, but enforce the law.

You are right, Hassan Ali is trying to collapse the PR Govt so that he can be MB with Khir Toyo as Timbalan MB under the UMNO-PAS state govt.

Anonymous said...

Saudara

What about this comment on the issue of arak in selangor.

http://malaysianunplug.blogspot.com/2009/08/hassan-ali-we-muslims-are-not-that-dumb.html

sorry for the missing link in the earlier posting

MENJ said...

Salaam TB, I would caution you against quoting anything that bitch Jed Yoong said as fact. She is prone to uttering malicious remarks and inaccurate statements without checking her facts first. I have exposed this before.

http://www.ibnjuferi.com/jed-yoong-is-a-biased-one-sided-reporter/

http://www.menj.org/jed-yoong-adalah-seorang-wartawan-yang-busuk-hati-dan-buta-akal/

As for Tony Pua, I don't harbour any love for him at the moment but I can vouch that he is no MCA man. And while it is true that Jeff Ooi was once in Gerakan, I don't believe he was their stooge or anything of the sort.

- MENJ

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