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Tuesday, August 11, 2009

The Corruption Element Behind the Entire MBSA-Liqour-Ban Issue

Yup, there is a perspective with regards to corruption in the recent MBSA-liqour-ban controversy. Whether you’d like to believe it or not, that’s entirely up to you.

I have discovered that, for a country where Islam is the official religion and stipulated clearly in the Federal Constitution, our liquor laws are very relaxed.

For instance:

a. The amount of liquor in a drink that is subject to federal laws is about 8.8%. Anything less that 8.8% is not subjected to federal licensing.

b. This is unusually very high because in Scandinavian countries, the amount of liquor allowed to be contained in a drink without regulation is between 3.5-4.7%. Anything above will fall under Federal law enforcement.

c. Liqour are allowed to be sold for profits in Malaysia whereas in the Scandinavian countries, liquor are sold by government monopoly companies.

d. Liqour are only sold to fulfill the need of the people and not for profits

e. In Malaysia, advertising for liquor is allowed and encouraged. In Norway, there is total ban for any types of liquor advertising. In Malaysia, Carlsberg was allowed to openly sponsor SUKOM.

Imagine the Scandinavian countries who do not have an official religion can enforce a law more resprectable and have their people at heart when it comes to liquor. In Malaysia, liquor is allowed to be sold for utter profits with complete disregard to what it is doing the the social fabric of this country.

And the Corruptions are:

a. The liquor law of Malaysia is a direct insult to the “Islam as Official Religion” provision in the Federal Constitution. While liquor should not be banned for those professing other faiths than Islam, it should not be allowed to be sold for profits or even advertised in our major medias.

b. UMNO and BN main people sits on Boards of major liquor corportations such as Carsberg. Click on the link below and you will see 3 Malay Muslims sitting on the Carlsberg Board.

(http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDMS/hsubweb.nsf/1c0706d8c060912d48256c6f0017b41c/48256aaf0027302c48256b8b0036a2a5/$FILE/Carlsbg-Products-CorpInfo-DirectorsProfile%20(725KB).pdf)

c. This is to facilitate financing to BN and UMNO when it comes to Elections or other politically natured activities. Why else would it be so difficult for BN to regulate the liquor industry in respecting the Federal religion of Malaysia?

d. This also makes a mockery of the recent Pemuda UMNO’s demonstration against MBSA because they should’ve demonstrated against MOF for allowing Malay Muslims to sit on Calrsberg’s board.

e. And lastly, why has the level of alcohol be set at 8.8%? A check with the local Carlsberg sold at convenient stores shows that the alcohol levels in these cans and bottles of beers are around 5%. So by setting the level so high, it will ensure that Carlsberg products not subjected to Federal laws, and thus, enabling Carlsberg (of which UMNO has people sitting on it’s board) to be sold
just like your average Coca Cola.

f. Imagine the social degradation that entails easily accessible liquor in the market? And why? Because UMNO and BN wants to satisfy their paymaster, the liquor industry who happens to have their plant here in Malaysia and Shah Alam.

g. So, since there is no ruling for 8.8% liquor and below, they can be sold anywhere and by anyone. Isn’t it not a wonder why underage drinking is more serious here than in Norway?

h. In Sweden, age limit is enforced with outmost scrutiny because liquor is sold in outlets sanctioned by the government. In Malaysia, who is going to enforce since any shops owned by just about anyone can sell liquor. So long as the alcohol content is less than 8.8%.

So, the MBSA ruling is merely a symptom that results from the real corruption: the relaxed liquor laws in Malaysia. And why is Malaysia’s liquor laws more relaxed than that of Norway (who do not have Islam as their official religion enshrined in the Constituion)? Because, Malaysian ruling parties needs to satisfy the wishes and whims of their paymasters, the liquor industry

MY PROPOSAL

a. Disallow totally liquor to be sold for profits. It must be sold by government owned monopoly just like the “”Kedai Tuak” we use to have.

b. That way, age limit and religion can be strictly enforced negating any sorts of religious sensitivity.

c. Alcohol level enforceable by law should be lowered to 2.0% considering we are a country where Islam is our Official religion.

d. Anything above 2% must be sold by the government monopoly corporations

e. No liquor advertising would be allowed. No liquor sponsorship should be allowed anywhere in Malaysia, just like in Norway.

f. All profits generated by the liquor sales will be given back into the government coffers for development and not for the expansion of the liquor industry.

This shows that BN offers the best politician money can buy. They are never sincere about fighting for the people. They will submit only to those who pays them the most. That’s the level of your average UMNO/BN politician.

Tulang Besi

50 comments:

Anonymous said...

Setuju sangat penjualan/pengagihan/pembuatan/pengiklanan arak diharamkan terus olih kerajaan PK. BN/UMNO tak ada tulang belakang untuk memperjuangkan islam sec (m.era)

swifz said...

When there is a will, there is a way.

I don't see any advertisement for heroin or ganja or ketamine. But people still get addicted to it.

More regulation doesn't solve anything. The solution is to educate potential drinkers (Muslim or non-Muslim) in school.

Teach them the effect of consumption of alcohol (liver damage, drink driving etc). Logical argument is the best.

Tulang Besi said...


More regulation doesn't solve anything. The solution is to educate potential drinkers (Muslim or non-Muslim) in school.
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True but less regulation will compound the problem even more.

Just because the current measure doesn't work 100% doesn't mean it's totally useless.

Anonymous said...

Banning alcohol is a direct insult to Taoist and the federal constitution clearly states the freedom of religion.

If alcohol is bad, how nearly all medicine contained it?

From what I know, nearly all people in Malaysia consume medicine and not solely depend on traditional herbs.

Anonymous said...

Excellent idea.

May I also suggest the following;

1. Muslims should be banned from working in any bar or restaurant that serves liqour. This law should include foreign workers who are Muslims.

2. All forms of liqour should be banned from local airlines like Malaysian Airlines. A good example to follow is Saudia Airlines.

3. Gambling is again like liqour against Islam. Similarly, gaming outlets should be nationalised and profits used for developmental use.

3. As cigarettes are bad for health, these should only be available through governemnt controlled outlets and not through convenience stores etc.

Saya sudah diam said...

Tulang Besi, sekiranya anda sayang kepada PR dan tidak menerima habuan daripada BN, sila diam dan padamkan rencana-rencana yang berkaitan dengan MBSA rampas beer di Selangor.

Jika tidak, saya akan menyalahkan anda sebagai batu api dan menyebabkan kejatuhan PR.

PAS dalam PR sekiranya masih memerintah Selangor, dia boleh membuat banyak perkara yang baik.

Jika PR jatuh, PAS sudah tiada peluang untuk melakukannya.

Lihat matlamat besar, isu beer/arak itu kecil sangat. Jika muslim tak suka kedai yang jual beer/arak, boikot sahaja kedai tersebut.

Yang penting jangan biarkan BN berpeluang membuat kezaliman di Selangor dan juga Malaysia.

Vikraman said...

More regulation doesn't solve anything except create a very lucrative black market for liquor.

The motivation for strict liquor licensing in Scandinavian countries is because, like Australia, they've had a very bad history of liquor related violence. In these countries the motive of strict liquor licensing is because of severe binge drinking and related violence.

Also it's a leftover from the strong Temperance Movement in the 1930's. Since Sweden and Norway joined the EU, liquor licensing has been progressively loosened and import restrictions are being removed.

I'm all for stricter enforcement, as I've detailed in a comment on your earlier post but the present laws are sufficient in our environment where binge drinking and related violence is nearly non-existent.

More regulation is not always a better thing. The free market is self regulating in most instances. Only in instances where a lack of regulation would cost direct and measurable harm to an individual/group of individuals should it be regulated.

Serious Shepherd said...

Izinkan saya nak merapu sikit.

These are lists of my silly questions for anon 7:15 PM:
1- If alcohol is related to a particular faith, does that mean the faith is for above 18 years old only?
2- If alcohol is good, shouldn't it be available at school canteens (in this case, at SJK(C))?
2- Can we apply the same rule of 'not for Muslims and those under 18 years old' for let's say, porn mags and love motels to be built in this country? Definitely they don't cause lung cancer or liver cancer and unlike DUI (Driving Under the Influence of alcohol), it's never an offence to DWRP (Drive While Reading Porn), right?

Diaorang ni tak paham-paham lagi ke? Ataupun nak kena sound macam last time Dr Dzul sound Lim Guan Eng 3 tahun lepas dalam artikel dia Dress Code: If we have a friend like Lim Guan Eng.... Tengok tajuk dia. Bahasa indah tu. Berminggu-minggu nak fikir the right word. Lepas tu baru diaorang pandai tutup peha.

Keith said...

I actually need to check:

Who came out with the statistic that underage drinking is a problem in Malaysia.

Does anyone have official government statistics, or are we just shooting in the dark.

In either case, I believe that smoking is a bigger problem than underage drinking, yet we don't see any effort to reduce that...other than a useless 'tak nak' campaign.

I believe you're way off in your assessment and your opinions are overkill.

Anonymous said...

Porn is bad?

Are you sure?

I don't think so.

Without your father and mother involved in porn actions, actions, and actions, there is without you today.

You need sex education.

GreenBug said...

If you rape a girl Tulang Besi, you blame yourself or you blame th girl for being sexy?

Don't blame liquor. I am not Muslim and I could drink but I don't. I even have access to the best but I don't drink a drop except during heavy rain where my wife takes some brandy to keep her body temperature warm due to asthma.

Tulang Besi said...

August 11, 2009 8:01 PM
Anonymous Vikraman said...

More regulation doesn't solve anything except create a very lucrative black market for liquor.

The motivation for strict liquor licensing in Scandinavian countries is because, like Australia, they've had a very bad history of liquor related violence. In these countries the motive of strict liquor licensing is because of severe binge drinking and related violence.
.

Yet, the increase of regulation by the Scandinavian countries actually managed to reduce the level of liqour consumed per capita.

Don't u think you sound more like contradicting yourself, Vikraman?

I think you're confusing yourself between "regulation" and "prohibition".

Incidently, the 20 years prohibition had managed to lower the per capita consumption of alcohol remarkably.

Tulang Besi said...

August 11, 2009 5:36 PM
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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Banning alcohol is a direct insult to Taoist and the federal constitution clearly states the freedom of religion.

If alcohol is bad, how nearly all medicine contained it?
.

Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't medicine supposed to be taken with a perscription and with a certain dosage.

When was the last time you heard people having to have prescriptions for liqour?

Tulang Besi said...

Blogger swifz said...

When there is a will, there is a way.

I don't see any advertisement for heroin or ganja or ketamine. But people still get addicted to it.

More regulation doesn't solve anything. The solution is to educate potential drinkers (Muslim or non-Muslim) in school.
.

Well, i have the entire Scandinavian countries liqour laws to prove you otherwise.

There's regulation against crime also, and yet it is not that working.

Should we remove all regulations on crime as well, going by your logic?

Tulang Besi said...

Anonymous Saya sudah diam said...

Tulang Besi, sekiranya anda sayang kepada PR dan tidak menerima habuan daripada BN, sila diam dan padamkan rencana-rencana yang berkaitan dengan MBSA rampas beer di Selangor.

Jika tidak, saya akan menyalahkan anda sebagai batu api dan menyebabkan kejatuhan PR.
.

This article is about why the liqour laws in Malaysia is so relaxed and how UMNO and BN benefits directly from the relaxed liqour laws.

By supporting the current arrangements with liqour laws, we are indirectly lending support to Barisan Nasional and UMNO.

Tulang Besi said...

Blogger GreenBug said...

If you rape a girl Tulang Besi, you blame yourself or you blame th girl for being sexy?

Don't blame liquor. I am not Muslim and I could drink but I don't. I even have access to the best but I don't drink a drop except during heavy rain where my wife takes some brandy to keep her body temperature warm due to asthma.

August 11, 2009 10:56 PM
.

So do you deny the existence of alcoholism as a real problem?

Rozana said...

We know that most countries have certain law or regulation for alcohol control mainly related to public order likes driving. We also know that alcohol causes some major health problems such as kidney failure. With clear thinking and full of consciousness, we know that alcohol is bad. Yet, people still drinking because of NAFSU. What is nafsu?

Saya juga diam demi PR said...

Dear Tulang Besi,

please do a search at google.com with following words:

alcohol in medicine

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I pity you being uneducated. I still remember during my chemistry lesson in secondary school, alcohol is important not only to medicine, but other sectors as well.

There is a chapter about alcohol in chemistry (secondary school subject). Please lobby now to get it abolish because it is haram to muslim.

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That is why western countries are far more advance than muslim dominated countries.

This is the fact.

Live is hard without BN contract said...

Tulang Besi wrote:

By supporting the current arrangements with liqour laws, we are indirectly lending support to Barisan Nasional and UMNO.

My comment: by still harping on this beer issue, PR will be finished and you indirectly responsible for helping BN to gain back supports from people.

Do you notice comments and subsequent actions from people from umno/government agencies?

Do you notice Nik Aziz comment?

Be quiet for sake of PR goverment in Selangor.

Anonymous said...

That is why western countries are far more advance than muslim dominated countries.

This is the fact.


Betul!

Contoh: jambatan retak, bumbung stadium jatuh semua minta jurutera dari luar negara seperti UK

Kenapa tak minta jurutera tempatan yang mendapat lulusan daripada universiti tempatan untuk periksa dan membuat kerja-kerja pembaikan.

Tulang Besi said...


My comment: by still harping on this beer issue, PR will be finished and you indirectly responsible for helping BN to gain back supports from people.
.

Sooo the fact that we allow Carlsberg and the liqour industry in Malaysia to bankroll BN will not help BN in the next election?

Tulang Besi said...


There is a chapter about alcohol in chemistry (secondary school subject). Please lobby now to get it abolish because it is haram to muslim.

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That is why western countries are far more advance than muslim dominated countries.

This is the fact.
.

Maybe you need to learn to read.

I asked you, does liqour needs dosage and prescription like medicines?

This is why Eastern countries never advance. They have people who cannot grasp even the simplest of concepts.

Anonymous said...

If you dig deeper, you will notice the reason why Scandinavian countries have such measures is because the alcohol consumption rate per capita is one of the highest in the world.

Alcoholism while prevalent in Malaysia is not at the levels found in Scandinavia.

eillom

Insaf-lah Batu Api said...

I urge all visitors to this site just to read and not comment anymore regarding to beer ban in Selangor.

It is clear now, Tulang Besi has changed and wanted to instigate voters to swing back to BN.

He no longer the PR supporter. In previous article, he even apologized for be non-stop critical to PR, but today he still harping on beer ban issue.

Tulang Besi, stop sensationalizing this beer issue over blogs. I notice your poisonous-to-PR posting in other blogs as well.

Don't follow rockybru style.

Tulang Besi said...

If you dig deeper, you will notice the reason why Scandinavian countries have such measures is because the alcohol consumption rate per capita is one of the highest in the world.

Alcoholism while prevalent in Malaysia is not at the levels found in Scandinavia.
.

True, and it also prove that more regulation can lower the level of alcohol consumption.

As for Malaysia, we are a country where our official religion is Islam.

Why do we allow liqour to be sold for profits here?

Tulang Besi said...

If you dig deeper, you will notice the reason why Scandinavian countries have such measures is because the alcohol consumption rate per capita is one of the highest in the world.

Alcoholism while prevalent in Malaysia is not at the levels found in Scandinavia.

eillom

August 12, 2009 9:04 AM
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Anonymous Insaf-lah Batu Api said...

I urge all visitors to this site just to read and not comment anymore regarding to beer ban in Selangor.

It is clear now, Tulang Besi has changed and wanted to instigate voters to swing back to BN.

He no longer the PR supporter. In previous article, he even apologized for be non-stop critical to PR, but today he still harping on beer ban issue.
.

This coming from a guy who likes to see Calrsberg and the rest of the liquor industries giving endless supply of money to BN and UMNO.

Anonymous said...

here is a chapter about alcohol in chemistry (secondary school subject). Please lobby now to get it abolish because it is haram to muslim.

*******************************

That is why western countries are far more advance than muslim dominated countries.

This is the fact..

Maybe you need to learn to read.

I asked you, does liqour needs dosage and prescription like medicines?

This is why Eastern countries never advance. They have people who cannot grasp even the simplest of concepts.


Tulang Besi, orang ni bodoh dah ditahap gaban, tak dapat nak ditolong!

Tulang Besi said...



Tulang Besi, orang ni bodoh dah ditahap gaban, tak dapat nak ditolong!
.

Pot calling the kettle black.

I think kindergarten kids know the difference between prescription drugs and liquor.

You, my friend, sad to say do not know.

Anonymous said...

IDEALLY, if we can do away with alcohol totally, the world would definitely be a better place than before.

At present, the world is not in an ideal situation for alcohol to be totally banned in public places.
Alcohol is a necessary evil just like religion, with its pro and cons.

I believe alcohol should be weaned off gradually eventually.
However, I do not agree with the banning of alcohol based on some directives from a non-existent god.
The basis of this sort of banning and control is primary out of fear rather than natural understanding.

Infringing on the rights of others by merely basing on some being that is non-existing is outright wrong and inhumane.

Anonymous said...

Actually I think the 8.8% threshold is to allow "strong beer" to be sold openly. Normal beer is between 3.5% to 4.X% alcohol content.

So I believe if we really want to change the threshold, 5% would stop everything stronger than normal beer to be sold.

On the other hand, while so much energy is focussed on beer, in actual fact, all kinds of unbranded (and probably dangerous) vodka, whisky, rice wine, etc are sold in hypermarkets, kedai runcits, departmental stores like Jusco, etc... so I find the focus on beer interesting as there so much more alcohol out there which is probably more dangerous than beer being sold openly.

Anonymous said...

KLCC siapa bina ?

Jawapan: Jepun dan Korea Selatan


Mas and AirAsia beli kapal terbang dari siapa?

Jawapan: Amerika Syarikat (Boeing) dan EU (AirBus)


Orang Malaysia pertama sampai ke angkasa, siapa yang bawanya?

Jawapan: Rusia


Komputer dan windows siapa buat?

Jawapan: Amerika Syarikat


Universiti Oxford, Universiti Harvard, MIT dari mana?

Jawapan: UK, Amerika Syarikat


Siapa menang perang di Afganistan and Iraq?

Jawapan: Amerika Syarikat


Siapa yang paling terkaya di dunia?

Jawapan: Orang Amerika Syarikat


Ubat selesema A siapa yang buat?
...

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Jambatan MRR2 yang telah dibaiki beberapa kali, siapa yang buat?

Bumbung stadium di Terrenganu yang runtuh siapa buat?

Kapal selam pertama Malaysia, siapa yang buat?

Helikopter Nuri, siapa yang buat?


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Malaysia Boleh!

Science Stream Guys said...

IDEALLY, if we can do away with alcohol totally, the world would definitely be a better place than before.

Pleaselah you all aliran sastera guys! Alcohol is god gift to mankind. It is useful in industrial as solvent and in medicine too.

Just do a search in google.

Key in alcohol in medicine or alcohol in industrial and you'll get plenty of uses.

Serious Shepherd said...

Ooops, nak sambung merapu kejap.

Oooo, jadi macam nilah caranya cadangan dari PAS diputarbelitkan dulu, kini dan selama BN menguasai media arus perdana.

"Regulate sales of liquor" dimutasikan oleh radiasi media arus perdana menjadi "ban all alcoholic drinks including medicines with alcohol". "Guidelines for dresscode" terus dimutasikan menjadi "no lipstick and high heels in Kelantan". Dan macam-macam lagi.

One more thing, if alcohol is written as Al-Cohol, would it be banned by Western countries since it sounded like Al-Qaeda and Al-Jazeera. Besides, the word alcohol originates from Arabic language Al-Kuhul (الكحول).

Anonymous said...

Saudara Tulang Besi

Pertama, Dr. Hassan Ali menyatakan tak puas hatinya tentang penjualan arak di kawasan majority Melayu. Dimana salahnya tindakan beliau ini?

Kedua, jika betul pun pihak kerajaan BN yang lalu telah memberi kebenaran mendirikan kilang arak di Malaysia, kenapa kerajaan PR sekarang tidak boleh mengambil tindakan menutup kilang tersebut? Kenapa nak ungkit perkara dahulu? Bagi saya ini sebagai alasan PAS tak nak buat, sebab takut orang bukan Islam akan marah.

Saya cabar PAS untuk mengharamkan arak bukan sahaja di kawasan majoriti Islam tapi juga seluruh negara. Kalau sebuah negara di Eropah boleh kontrol penjualan arak, kenapa PAS tak mamapu mengawal penjualan arak di negeri2 dibawah pentadbirannya? Jangan lagi berdolak dalih.

Saya sebagai saorang Islam menuntut supaya arak dihapuskan dari bumi Malaysia sebab memang saya tak suka dengan semua barang yang memabukkan yang dihalalkan di negara ini sejak dulu lagi. Mengungkit-ungkit perkara lalu tidak akan membawa apa-apa kebaikan kepada Islam dan umatnya di Malaysia.

Yang saya mahu lihat apa pula tindakan PAS selanjutnya! Diam menikus sebab takut kat Ronnie Liu ke?

Lancang Biru

Tulang Besi said...


Pertama, Dr. Hassan Ali menyatakan tak puas hatinya tentang penjualan arak di kawasan majority Melayu. Dimana salahnya tindakan beliau ini?,
.

Dia ni bukan exco ke? Kenapa tak boleh naikkan isu ini dalam mesyuarat exco?

itu salahnya

Tulang Besi said...


Saya cabar PAS untuk mengharamkan arak bukan sahaja di kawasan majoriti Islam tapi juga seluruh negara. Kalau sebuah negara di Eropah boleh kontrol penjualan arak, kenapa PAS tak mamapu mengawal penjualan arak di negeri2 dibawah pentadbirannya? Jangan lagi berdolak dalih.
.

Sebab nak buat mcm tu kita kena kontrol Pusat dulu.

Saudara ni kena buat homework lebih sikit la

Chicken Feet aka KaKiaYam said...

"..I have discovered that, for a country where Islam is the official religion and stipulated clearly in the Federal Constitution, our liquor laws are very relaxed.
..."

So are we an Islamic state yet? How do you relate the fact that Islam is the official religion with regulation of liquor? To me they are two different things. You're defining the official religion too broad and over encompassing.

"...d. Liqour are only sold to fulfill the need of the people and not for profits.."

ooo...I love this....

"...e. In Malaysia, advertising for liquor is allowed and encouraged..."

how do you define as 'encourage'?

"..Imagine the Scandinavian countries who do not have an official religion.."

you mean without 'the' official religion, they are not suppose to be able to enforce any laws?

"...a. The liquor law of Malaysia is a direct insult to the “Islam as Official Religion” provision in the Federal Constitution...."

How and why? Why is the word 'insult' so easily comes out from your religious mouth?

"...Why else would it be so difficult for BN to regulate the liquor industry in respecting the Federal religion of Malaysia?..."

I do hope they regulate the sale of alcoholic drinks, but I do NOT wish it is done to respect the religion of the majority.

"..g. So, since there is no ruling for 8.8% liquor and below, they can be sold anywhere and by anyone. Isn’t it not a wonder why underage drinking is more serious here than in Norway?..."

Justify. Not for the sake of questioning you, but would like to know how you come to this finding...


a. Disallow totally liquor to be sold for profits.

I don't oppose...:)

b. That way, age limit and religion can be strictly enforced negating any sorts of religious sensitivity.

Muslim sensitivity is strictly muslim's. Keep your sensitivity to yourself. Unless people are distributing free beers right to your doorstep, don't ever attempt to change the environment to suit your bloody sensitivities.

c. Alcohol level enforceable by law should be lowered to 2.0% considering we are a country where Islam is our Official religion.

I have yet to see beer that has a lower alcohol content than 2%. Why 2%? Islam is the official religion, so what? Angkuhnya orang muslim ni....

d. Anything above 2% must be sold by the government monopoly corporations

So long as it is easily available and cheap, hey, i don't mind! :P

e. No liquor advertising would be allowed.

I disagree. Current limitations is good enough. While you can protect the young ones, let the adult decide by themselves. Don't decide for us....

f. All profits generated by the liquor sales will be given back into the government coffers

So the money gonna build more mosque and sponsor sekolah agama? sigh....

On one hand you propose that liquor be sold without profit, on the other, you want the profits generated.

as much as i hate BN, i find it nauseating that you will find all opportunity and excuses to politicise any kind of issue, so long as it serve your purpose.

KaKiaYam

Chicken Feet aka KaKiaYam said...

"..I have discovered that, for a country where Islam is the official religion and stipulated clearly in the Federal Constitution, our liquor laws are very relaxed.
..."

So are we an Islamic state yet? How do you relate the fact that Islam is the official religion with regulation of liquor? To me they are two different things. You're defining the official religion too broad and over encompassing.

"...d. Liqour are only sold to fulfill the need of the people and not for profits.."

ooo...I love this....

"...e. In Malaysia, advertising for liquor is allowed and encouraged..."

how do you define as 'encourage'?

"..Imagine the Scandinavian countries who do not have an official religion.."

you mean without 'the' official religion, they are not suppose to be able to enforce any laws?

"...a. The liquor law of Malaysia is a direct insult to the “Islam as Official Religion” provision in the Federal Constitution...."

How and why? Why is the word 'insult' so easily comes out from your religious mouth?

"...Why else would it be so difficult for BN to regulate the liquor industry in respecting the Federal religion of Malaysia?..."

I do hope they regulate the sale of alcoholic drinks, but I do NOT wish it is done to respect the religion of the majority.

"..g. So, since there is no ruling for 8.8% liquor and below, they can be sold anywhere and by anyone. Isn’t it not a wonder why underage drinking is more serious here than in Norway?..."

Justify. Not for the sake of questioning you, but would like to know how you come to this finding...


a. Disallow totally liquor to be sold for profits.

I don't oppose...:)

b. That way, age limit and religion can be strictly enforced negating any sorts of religious sensitivity.

Muslim sensitivity is strictly muslim's. Keep your sensitivity to yourself. Unless people are distributing free beers right to your doorstep, don't ever attempt to change the environment to suit your bloody sensitivities.

c. Alcohol level enforceable by law should be lowered to 2.0% considering we are a country where Islam is our Official religion.

I have yet to see beer that has a lower alcohol content than 2%. Why 2%? Islam is the official religion, so what? Angkuhnya orang muslim ni....

d. Anything above 2% must be sold by the government monopoly corporations

So long as it is easily available and cheap, hey, i don't mind! :P

e. No liquor advertising would be allowed.

I disagree. Current limitations is good enough. While you can protect the young ones, let the adult decide by themselves. Don't decide for us....

f. All profits generated by the liquor sales will be given back into the government coffers

So the money gonna build more mosque and sponsor sekolah agama? sigh....

On one hand you propose that liquor be sold without profit, on the other, you want the profits generated.

as much as i hate BN, i find it nauseating that you will find all opportunity and excuses to politicise any kind of issue, so long as it serve your purpose.

KaKiaYam

Chicken Feet aka KaKiaYam said...

"..I have discovered that, for a country where Islam is the official religion and stipulated clearly in the Federal Constitution, our liquor laws are very relaxed.
..."

So are we an Islamic state yet? How do you relate the fact that Islam is the official religion with regulation of liquor? To me they are two different things. You're defining the official religion too broad and over encompassing.

"...d. Liqour are only sold to fulfill the need of the people and not for profits.."

ooo...I love this....

"...e. In Malaysia, advertising for liquor is allowed and encouraged..."

how do you define as 'encourage'?

"..Imagine the Scandinavian countries who do not have an official religion.."

you mean without 'the' official religion, they are not suppose to be able to enforce any laws?

"...a. The liquor law of Malaysia is a direct insult to the “Islam as Official Religion” provision in the Federal Constitution...."

How and why? Why is the word 'insult' so easily comes out from your religious mouth?

"...Why else would it be so difficult for BN to regulate the liquor industry in respecting the Federal religion of Malaysia?..."

I do hope they regulate the sale of alcoholic drinks, but I do NOT wish it is done to respect the religion of the majority.

"..g. So, since there is no ruling for 8.8% liquor and below, they can be sold anywhere and by anyone. Isn’t it not a wonder why underage drinking is more serious here than in Norway?..."

Justify. Not for the sake of questioning you, but would like to know how you come to this finding...


a. Disallow totally liquor to be sold for profits.

I don't oppose...:)

b. That way, age limit and religion can be strictly enforced negating any sorts of religious sensitivity.

Muslim sensitivity is strictly muslim's. Keep your sensitivity to yourself. Unless people are distributing free beers right to your doorstep, don't ever attempt to change the environment to suit your bloody sensitivities.

c. Alcohol level enforceable by law should be lowered to 2.0% considering we are a country where Islam is our Official religion.

I have yet to see beer that has a lower alcohol content than 2%. Why 2%? Islam is the official religion, so what? Angkuhnya orang muslim ni....

d. Anything above 2% must be sold by the government monopoly corporations

So long as it is easily available and cheap, hey, i don't mind! :P

e. No liquor advertising would be allowed.

I disagree. Current limitations is good enough. While you can protect the young ones, let the adult decide by themselves. Don't decide for us....

f. All profits generated by the liquor sales will be given back into the government coffers

So the money gonna build more mosque and sponsor sekolah agama? sigh....

On one hand you propose that liquor be sold without profit, on the other, you want the profits generated.

as much as i hate BN, i find it nauseating that you will find all opportunity and excuses to politicise any kind of issue, so long as it serve your purpose.

KaKiaYam

Chicken Feet aka KaKiaYam said...

Sorry for the triple sending, some problem with my system. Please delete duplicate entry....

Thanks.

KaKiaYam

Anonymous said...

Kata Tualang Besi "Sebab nak buat mcm tu kita kena kontrol Pusat dulu."

Tak payah nak tunggu kontrol kerajaan Pusat, saudara Tulang Besi oi. Geranti sauadara/PAS akan cari alasan lain untuk mengelak dari tidak melakukannya. Saya setuju Saudara jangan buat komen merapu lagi pasal Islam di internet.

By the way, rasa2nya PAS confident ke dapat merampas kerajaan pusat pada PRU13 nanti? Kalau macam inilah ahli tegar PAS, hanyutlah orang Islam kat Malaysia ni nanti....

Lancang Biru

Serious Shepherd said...

Bosan jugak baca propaganda yang golongan sasarannya ialah penyokong PAS supaya mereka menjauhi PAS walaupun tidak menyokong BN immediately lepas tu. Contohnya ialah komen Lancang Biru. Bosan sebab patternnya sama dulu, kini dan selama BN memerintah dan menganggap negara ini sebagai bapak mereka punya.

Chicken Feet aka KaKiaYam said...

"...Kalau macam inilah ahli tegar PAS, hanyutlah orang Islam kat Malaysia ni nanti.... "

Sometimes, reading these comments gives me the impression that the average muslim is so bloody weak and useless. They are like seaweed that can be swept away by the waves and manipulated, and with no mind of their own.

Fortunately, this is not true although many, especially muslims leaders, thinks otherwise.

KaKiaYam

Tulang Besi said...

Pleaselah you all aliran sastera guys! Alcohol is god gift to mankind. It is useful in industrial as solvent and in medicine too..

so is cyanide. But does that mean we should all drink it?

Anonymous said...

Jika saya tidak silap pada suatu ketika dahulu semasa tv mula diperkenalkan di Malaysia, ramai juga orang-orang mempertikaikanya sebagai haram. Pasa masa yang sama, di eropah and usa sedang sibuk dengan revolusi perindustrianya. Pada masa ini usa, china, jepun, dan rusia sedang sibuk memcuba untuk menawan angkasa, malaysia pula sibuk mempertikaikan isu haram atau tidak haram. Bijak betul orang malaysia ini.

Anonymous said...

Saya cabar PAS untuk mengharamkan arak bukan sahaja di kawasan majoriti Islam tapi juga seluruh negara. Kalau sebuah negara di Eropah boleh kontrol penjualan arak, kenapa PAS tak mamapu mengawal penjualan arak di negeri2 dibawah pentadbirannya? Jangan lagi berdolak dalih..

Sebab nak buat mcm tu kita kena kontrol Pusat dulu.


Sebab nak buat mcm tu kita kena kontrol Pusat dulu

takut ni...

BN aku undi kamu ya. pergilah pas ngok

Anonymous said...

"Banning alcohol is a direct insult to Taoist and the federal constitution clearly states the freedom of religion"
I bet u dont know a single thing about taoism..wat is wu wei?what's the plane of conSciousness that represents the tao?

Anonymous said...

"Pleaselah you all aliran sastera guys! Alcohol is god gift to mankind. It is useful in industrial as solvent and in medicine too.."

"so is cyanide. But does that mean we should all drink it?"

klasik reply..morphine pun good waat..kanser patrients need it..i think many fellas dont realise or undertsand the real issue..all the time,pariah UMNo and their lackey's are using "alcohol" to bikin kecoh,nak pecahkan pakatan..but the reality is,it's UMNO pariah who is no1 kaki mabok(kuasa,duit,macam2)..they have shares in companies producing alcoholic beverages..ada saham in all sorts of gambling companies..janji kaya maah!!..and these pariah basterdos called UMNO have the cheek to talk bout islam,alcohol..etc etc..

Anonymous said...

"Banning alcohol is a direct insult to Taoist and the federal constitution clearly states the freedom of religion"

I bet u dont know a single thing about taoism..wat is wu wei?what's the plane of conSciousness that represents the tao?


Bunyi macam ultra vires = to insult

Diamlah kalau tak tahu. Berlagak pandai dalam Taoism.

Anonymous said...

As human, I believe we have the inteligence to choose, and to diffrentiate what is right or wrong, the decision making should be entirely up to us, esp a matter so trivial as to consume or not to consume liquor.
And you are making a big fuss out of it, it is laughable! You are really a die hard political spinner.

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