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Friday, August 7, 2009

Liqour Laws in Scandinavian Countries are Stricter than MBSA. That’s a Fact.

Why are people complaining about the recent MBSA confiscation of liquor from a shop that has been warned 4 times? The rules in Norway and Sweden is stricter as compared to the MBSA ruling.

For one, in Scandinavian countries, liquour with alcohol content above 3.5%-4.7% can only be sold by state owned monopoly companies through their respective outlets. One cannot find liquor sold in convenience stores the way they are sold here.

Alcohol are sold by government monopolies there to disallow sales of alcohol for the purpose of profit. Private entitites will try to push for more and more of their products to be sold while a government monopoly is only interested in providing the need of the people. This ensure the level of alcohol consumption to be under control and prevent unhealthy practices like under-age drinking and massive problems with alcoholism.

Malaysia on the hand only regulate alcohol beverage with alcohol content above 8.8%, at least twice the level allowed in Scandinavian countries. In Malaysia, beverages with alcohol content below 8.8% can be sold freely anywhere. The only regulation applies is the Local Council regulations with respect to premise licensing.

Tony Pua’s contention that such prohibition has no legal standing is a sign of his ignorance considering Kelantan has been invoking these laws in controlling the sale of liquor in their state. And it is going on 18 years now, and yet, not a single legal suit has ever been filed against the Kelantan various local governments. So much for Tony Pua’s brilliance in matters of the law.

In Norway, even the advertising of alcohol is prohibited. But, in Malaysia advertisement of alcohol beverage is allowed and we see them in movie theathers, English newspapers and Chinese newspapers. In fact, liquor companies are allowed to sponsor major events, i.e. Commonwealth Games in the open. Such a thing is prohibited in the Scandinavian countries.

Underage Drinking Prevention is High on Their Agenda

All of the Scandinavian countries enforce the age limit rule to the maximum. There is no compromise.

Since, liquor is only sold in state owned monopoly outlets, enforcement of age-limit becomes very easy. And we see under-age drinking is not a big problem over there.

For instance:

“Sweden: The age limit is 20 years of age (for beverages above 3.5 % alcohol). A main reason to have Systembolaget as monopoly is to enforce this age limit. Several tests have shown that food shops often sell 3.5 % beer to people below the age limit which is 18 for 3.5 % beer.”( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systembolaget)

So, how is MBSA action of thighthening liquor sales be deemed as infringing on minority rights and not respecting human rights?

Regulation of alcohol sales is practiced by all developed countries, and being strict on the sales of alcohol is being practiced in the most secular of all nations.

I get confuse as to why people are accusing MBSA as being religious zealots and disrespectful to minority. They are just doing their part in preventing and overcoming the problem of under-age drinking. Plus, they are just adhering to the wishes of their taxpayer not wanting to see liquor being sold in the neighborhood.

How is that a crime?

Tulang Besi

134 comments:

Anonymous said...

There is no by-law to ban or to seizure beers in Shah Alam

In Kelantan there is, so it is OK.

It is confirmed by Shah Alam mayor. See the article below:

http://www.malaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/34484-selangor-beer-squabble-may-spill-over-to-permatang-pasir

I regret to vote PAS in GE 12. PAS have forgotten its "PAS for all" slogan. Now i understand what are BN's stability and development means.

Is "PAS for all" means Muslim first and non muslim seconded?

To tulang besi:

the crime here is there are no by-laws which allow enforcement officers to make the seizure

This statement was from the mouth of Shah Alam Mayor.

No extra-turbo-speeded-spin here from me

Anonymous said...

Only when it comes to beer, suddenly BN (domineered by UMNO) seems to want to fight for the rights of the minorities.

Anonymous said...

Scandinavian is Scandinavian. Malaysia is Malaysia. Or else why don't you just compare it to Iraq then we all be happy.

Anonymous said...

I agreed that many western countries have stricter Liquor Laws compare to Malaysia. I personally support stricter Liquor Laws.

HOWEVER, western countries do not have body snatcher, demolishing of places of worship, force conversion of minors, religion "peeping" squad, strict restriction of new places of worship etc. Many people like me is not supporting stricter Liquor Laws because we in Malaysia see that all these are co-related.

Tulang Besi said...

mbsa invokes the same laws as that of kelantan indicating precedence. so there is a legal standing.

Tulang Besi said...

mbsa invokes the same laws as that of kelantan indicating precedence. so there is a legal standing.

Anonymous said...

Tulang Besi wrote:

mbsa invokes the same laws as that of kelantan indicating precedence. so there is a legal standing

Why you are so desperate?

Illegal also can?

I think your thought for many other issues ARE as good as a fresh milk (which is good for many)

But now you are "susu basi" contaminating many innocent mind

Buta undang-undang and buta agama

mactoksei said...

implementing the alcohol by-law must be through the proper way in selangor so that the people must not be misled. it should follows kelantan. it is the duty of the muslim's aduns to explain to the people the evil of drinking as taught by islam. as for those non-muslims they can buy their drinks at the alloted places. it this hard to carry out?

Anonymous said...

mactoksei wrote:

implementing the alcohol by-law must be through the proper way in selangor so that the people must not be misled. it should follows kelantan. it is the duty of the muslim's aduns to explain to the people the evil of drinking as taught by islam. as for those non-muslims they can buy their drinks at the alloted places. it this hard to carry out?

Yeah it is really muslim didahulukan dan yang lain-lain pergi jauh-jauh

"PAS for all" ?

It is better "PAS for muslim" slogan for permatang pasir and GE 13

DAP what do you waiting for?

Anonymous said...

May I suggest that Saya Anak Bangsa Malaysia movement put up an independent candidate at the Permatang Pasir by-election?

I will give my vote to the independent candidate instead of PAS.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous August 7, 2009 11:03 AM

I support you! PAS didn't keep its election manifesto and popular "PAS for all" slogan.

Leithaisor said...

I personally do not think it is good to drink alcoholic drinks. And having seen the way those under the influence of alcohol behave both locally and overseas, I would be far happier that alcoholic drinks are not so easily available, especially via 24 hour convenience shops and to teenagers even. Hence the way it is in Scandinavia is a good thing in my mind.

However, it is important that the law and the views of others are both respected. It is not a matter of just what a religion teaches, or what the majority of residents/rate payers in an area want.

However good it is to regulate the sale of beer, the way such an action is to be carried out must not steamroll over the laws and rights/feelings of others.

Hence for the enforcement personnel in Shah Alam to go around issueing notices which they are not enpowered to issue, and to even rampas beer in the recent incident is simply not right.

And those Pakatan politicans who reportedly encouraged the enforcement staff to do so have abused their positions, and the trust of many of those who voted Pakatan into power in the state.
There is no place for waving religion as the stamp of authority for such actions.

Again I stress - I am on the side of regulation of sale of alcoholic drinks, BUT such a move must be approached in a fair, legal and democratic manner.

Anonymous said...

Many Scandinavian countries have stricter Liquor Laws, that is a fact.

Malaysia has body snatcher, demolishing of places of worship, force conversion of minors, religion "peeping" squad, strict restriction of new places of worship etc which many Scandinavian countries does not have. THAT IS ALSO A FACT.

Anonymous said...

For example Mazu statue in Sabah

Anonymous said...

TB,

I think your readers 'get it' already that you are passionate about restricting sale of liqour and both muslims and non-muslims alike can agree to that.

This is the 3rd article in a row you'
ve picked on YB Tony Pua which someone already addressed yesterday in the earlier article.

The bigger issue here is the 'drama queens' Ronnie Liu & Hassan Ali shooting off their mouths instead of working through the proper channels. Laws are in place, enforce it. Those not yet in place, stop talking about it as though it is.

As for Tony Pua, he should check his facts, I agree. But there's no need for 3 articles in 3 days calling on voters not to vote him, quoting someone he's an MCA spy, etc.

Continue this way, alienate ALL pakatan voters and everyone in Pakatan including yourself is collectively to blame for this outbursts.

It's immature. Get on with it. Point made. Point taken. Now move on.

Anonymous said...

I already urge my family and friends to vote against PAS for next by-election or GE 13.

Action speaks louder than slogan

Anonymous said...

the fact is, there is no law federal or state, that allows the mbsa enforcement officer to do what he did. what he did was against the law...simple and straightforward.

if you want to have restrictions on sale of alcohol, then pls wait and allow the state govt to work out the necessary guidelines (which are not law, btw, and depend on the goodwill of ppl to follow) and state enactments (which must be enforceable by local councils, and must not be ultra-vires any constitutional rights) before jumping the gun and taking the law into your own hands because of your particular world view.

having said that, restriction and total ban are two different things, and may not necessarily achieve the same desired result. most of the time, a properly implemented and enforced restriction would be much more successful than an outright ban.

if easy access to alcohol for muslims and underage in convenience store is a problem, then restrict the sales to them lah..just like ciggies. we have ICs which show our age and identify muslims...so that is the problem? if you want to restrict the hours, then ensure the convenience store do not sell beer from 12am-8am lah, as per many other countries.

wouldn't these measures be easier to implement and enforce than a ban based on parameters which are next to impossible to define...like what constitutes a majority...50.1%, 55%, 67%, 99%? and what constitutes a zone...by DUN?, by parliament?, by MBSA zones? by housing area? by distance of radius from a convenient store? even then, wouldn't kids and muslims have access to beer from coffeshops and sundry shops?

really...there are many writings of yours which i think are well reasoned, and are not simply based on emotion. but for this issue, i do think you have used your emotion more than your head. calm down, step back and think.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous August 7, 2009 11:26 AM

May I suggest that cigarette and beer only be able to sell by any vendor 24hours non-stop via a vending machine that required mycard or adult authentication card?

This will prevent muslim to buy it and open a new business opportunity for non-muslim to buy for ... (ahem...forget it)

Tulang Besi, apamacam? Agree tak?

Anonymous said...

I support restriction of alcohol sale. I am a non-muslim who drink once in a while I might add.

But I don't support vigilantees and communal heroes. I am refering to both Hassan Ali & Ronnie Liu here. What were they thinking of?

It seems like all PR parties are infested by them, just like BN.

Anonymous said...

They are exco, ie the state cabinet members

If not for they to voice out, then who?

Anonymous said...

May I suggest that cigarette and beer only be able to sell by any vendor 24hours non-stop via a vending machine that required mycard or adult authentication card?

Semsitive, bro. Racial profiling :-) Some enterprising individual can stand next to vending machine offering their mykad for use for a fee, like 'jaga kereta' boys...

Ha ha, joking only ah! :-)

Anonymous said...

They are exco, ie the state cabinet members

If not for they to voice out, then who?


Voicing out no problem, playing to the galley is a problem. How many politicians have held press conferences saying stuff like "I got proof for this and this, so and so better do this and this..." then totally disappear after that, no follow up, no proof.

This is true for both BN and PR parties. They need to get to work.

Anonymous said...

Dear anonymous August 7, 2009 11:45 AM

Agree!

Anonymous said...

For example wee choo keong

and sadly also anwar's September 2008 promise

I really miss (ie rindu) anwar's promise

Encore please! (But must materialized this time)

Tulang Besi said...

the fact is that laws with regards to alcohol beverages with alcohol content lower than 8.8 percent falls under local government premise licensing acts. if mbsa is acting outside the law, then i suggest anyone to sue mbsa in court

Anonymous said...

Dear tulang besi,

no need to sue, just sack those authorise and participate in the action

Tulang Besi said...

im confused. how is the mbsa law contradict pas for all slogan? the stricter liqour laws are at the insistance of the local community.

Anonymous said...

If sued, the MBSA kena, ie the public and not officers in action

Anonymous said...

Tulang Besi wrote:

im confused. how is the mbsa law contradict pas for all slogan? the stricter liqour laws are at the insistance of the local community.

In reality it is PAS wanted to ban beer. Look how PAS selangor say and do.

Look how mustafa ali comment. If PAS really uphold its "PAS for all" principle, then PAS will be the first oppose such ban because non-muslim affected

Anonymous said...

In reality it is PAS wanted to ban beer. Look how PAS selangor say and do.

Look how mustafa ali comment. If PAS really uphold its "PAS for all" principle, then PAS will be the first oppose such ban because non-muslim affected


Do someone agree that just a small group of people in PAS not adhere to "PAS for all" slogan?

Any hope for PAS to uphold "PAS for all" principle in the future?

Tulang Besi said...

i do agree that i am being overboard by attacking Tony Pua repeatedly. i think its uncalled for. its just that i feel betrayed since i campaigned for him and managed to get majority of kampong tmn aman to vote for him giving dato salim sujak a shock of his life. but granted i may have gone overboard. for that im sorry.

Rozana said...

Positively, alcoholism much talked after March 2008. Dulu media massa perdana malu segan nak cakap fasal arak ni.

Anonymous said...

Tulang Besi wrote:

i do agree that i am being overboard by attacking Tony Pua repeatedly. i think its uncalled for. its just that i feel betrayed since i campaigned for him and managed to get majority of kampong tmn aman to vote for him giving dato salim sujak a shock of his life. but granted i may have gone overboard. for that im sorry.

Glad you admit it.

Anonymous said...

Dear Rozana,

now the hottest topic is not alcoholism but:

PAS GE12 slogan - "PAS for all": Can PAS put theory into daily action?

Budak Parit said...

Pelik bin ajaib. Balik balik politik babi. Balik balik politik beer. Sebab nak strick kan jualan beer, kita vote BN, sebab under BN boleh beli dan minum beer kat mana mana.

Go pangkahlah BN. Tapi sebelum pangkah, jangan minum beer dulu sepaya otak to waras dan ingat apa BN dah buat. Entah berapa Billion duit rakyat digunakan untuk Kroni? Entah berapa orang ditangkap ISA? Entah berapa tanah rakyat tergadai? Entah berapa orang mati dalam lokap? Entah berapa Billion hangus kerana rasuah?

Kepada anonymous sekor ni, aku ingat dia nak beer ni dijual macam jual mineral water kot? Dia mahu anak anak beli beer macam beli air sejuk kot?

Anonymous sekor ni confuse between the word "BAN" and "stricter" control.

Jadi buang mindset ugama dari otak dan pikir balik dari segi sama ada beer/alcoholic drink tu bagus ke untuk anak anak?

Jadi kurangkan mimum beer sopaya boleh berpikir dengan waras!

Anonymous said...

I love BN

Anonymous said...

i do agree that i am being overboard by attacking Tony Pua repeatedly. i think its uncalled for. its just that i feel betrayed since i campaigned for him and managed to get majority of kampong tmn aman to vote for him giving dato salim sujak a shock of his life. but granted i may have gone overboard. for that im sorry.

Ahh... now that is what I call mature. The unwritten 'rule of engagement' in rebutting someone is if he issue 1 statement, then u issue 1, not 3 in a row :-)

Now if only the rest of the PR 'leaders' who started the drama also grow up and end the drama and once and for all about the issues bugging their voters...

donplaypuks® said...

The difference is that in Shah Alam the enforcement officers issued summons without any authority to do or or with the backing of any known law!

So, when the authorities act unilaterally outside the law, they should not expect congratulatory messages from the Rakyat!!

dpp
We are all of 1 race, the Human Race. That is all that really matters.

Anonymous said...

Hello Budak Parit tanpa Calsberg tengok liverpool tak seronoklah.

Nak beli Calsberg pergi jauh-jauh?

Nanti jam gila tak sempat tengok livelah!

BN at least tak kacau orang secara individu biarpun banyak masalahnya.

Tetapi ingat masalah BN kebanyakkanny macro seperti isu perak!

Anonymous said...

Siapa nak resipi Calsberg masak ayam?

Ingat non-muslim only can ask!

Anonymous said...

You're so deceitful; what do you expect, but double talk is always the pervert game of Islamists! To compare with what primitive PAS is trying to do, Taleban-style, with modern progressive Western civilization, is unjust! Because the laws in such modern and civilized Western society, has nothing to do with imposing barbaric and Dark Age Taleban-Saudi style religious moral policing of one's personal choice (that include on veiling women/girls in Dark Age Saudi cultural rubbish baggage!), which what PAS is trying to enforce. With its sado-masochistic, fascist and racist male power game! All inherited from that vile and most primitive Saudi culture (ncluding through the royal connection Ben-Laden), which is constructing a homogenous and elitist male Islamist Empire, from East to West (including in oil rich Malaysia and Indonesia), through terrorising ordinary beings, Muslims and non-Muslims alike, that include using their barbaric but power-hungry maniacs foot soldiers such as the Taleban and PAS here!

Katharina Sri (former: Noor Aza)

Germany.

camcamni said...

I dont mind the ban as alcohol is considered part of vice....but to Taoist Chinese, its part of the ritual for their prayers.

Anyway, the whole issue here is the way the enforcement people go about enforcing the rule which is usurping the role of the Mayor of MBSA. Therefore as Exco in charge of Local Govt, Ronnie had to interfere and if the state Govt has agreed to such strict enforcement, then I believe Ronnie will not go against the enforcement.

Then you have Hassan Ali ( Mole for UMNO?) saying in public asking for the MB to take Ronnie off...isnt this against the Pakatan Rakyat's consensus of coalition rule? Such statement coming from the Selangor PAS head is too much to stomach and I am totally against such actions from Selangor PAS and so this has set my friends and me to think twice again if we are going to continue voting for PAS as my ADUN comes from PAS...dont challenge us as we have lots of Chinese friends and many are casual drinkers and this call has upset them very much.

Too bad if PAS thinks they can either maintain or continue to win as many seats as they had during GE12 but come GE13, we shall see ok? We shall see!!!!

tulang babi said...

tb says; 'Liqour Laws in scandinavian Countries are stricter than MBSA. That's a fact'

duh...and so what! the issue here is this, Their local authority don't go around confiscate beer at their whims and fancy. Can't you understand that simple thing TB! you are such an imbecile.

and TB says; "i do agree that i am being overboard by attacking Tony Pua repeatedly. i think its uncalled for. its just that i feel betrayed since i campaigned for him and managed to get majority of kampong tmn aman to vote for him giving dato salim sujak a shock of his life. but granted i may have gone overboard. for that im sorry."

yes that is what we want. TB and PAS kow tow to the DAP. Congrat to the DAP people, seems that they have a way to tame this religious lunatic like TB. In the long run this will be good for the country - PAS's nonsenseand 'redicolousness' get filter by the DAP before they get acros to the state level and maybe National level in the future.

My vote goes to the DAP...yeehaaa.

Anonymous said...

alcohol addiction is major problem,especially in the indian community.In fact,DPCM2 Prof Ramasamy has started a signature campaign to close shops selling cheap liquors/samsu watever.

Anonymous said...

//but to Taoist Chinese, its part of the ritual for their prayers.//

Do u know the symbolic meaning of 'alcohol" in your ritual?Indians also use ghee in funeral ceromonies.These are just symbols.

Anonymous said...

//I already urge my family and friends to vote against PAS for next by-election or GE 13.

Action speaks louder than slogan//

i urge people to pour ghee and alcohol on your head..how about dat eh?;-)

Anonymous said...

wanna know something..honey can can be used as symbol in funeral ceremonies..wanna know why?..the ghee/alcohol actually is a symbol for "amrita"(divine nectar)..and it's "home" is ananda/bliss..and lotus symbolises divine conciousness..so honey also can be used wat..:-)

michael said...

If you want to talk about Scandinavian countries, why don't you quote a country closer to home and see how beer is sold at our look east model country, Japan.

In Japan, beer is sold in every neighbourhood through dispenser machines like soft drinks.
This is a fact!

Now tell me wouldn't we love to have the crime rate (+ car accident rate) of that country despite all the beers ?

Chicken Feet aka KaKiaYam said...

I think, if there is a provision of law on the prohibition of selling liquor in 7 Eleven stores, then I think the action of MBSA is justified.

But if it is otherwise, then I think the MBSA should be sued for all it's worth.

I don't really think that this split of opinions is about alcoholic drinks. It's about how the fella justified the banning of selling of liquor that makes people turn their head. Children? Teenagers? Muslims? Muslim majority area?

If the Pas member come out and propose tighter regulation of alcohol selling for the good of the community rather than to respect/protect the muslims, many would raise both their hands in support.

Tulang Besi, I just hope you could be 1/2 as wise as Aisehman. Being such a vocal blog in social and religious issue, you will influence many. So please, show some consistency in your view of things.

KaKiaYam

Anonymous said...

[Yusufali 47:15] (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?

Ahah!!There you are.The true meaning of the symbols,"honey","wine","honey" etc etc

Anonymous said...

yea yea,Michael is a kaki mabok..yea yea..;-)

Chicken Feet aka KaKiaYam said...

tulang babi, go back to your own blog and write more pro umno articles.

KaKiaYam

Anonymous said...

The problem with malysians is,for 2 many switch off thier brain b4 blablaing.As it is,this country dah jadi zombi..every jack s wannts to continue to live like a zombi..true Dr.hassan Ali is an UMNO's arse licker,but westeren kiasu jack s pun no differentlah..

Anonymous said...

It is pity that Alonso left liverpool possibly because of tulang besi article

Possibly alonso hate the C brand on his chest everytime he try to score or because of C brand product he fails to score!

Anonymous said...

//It is pity that Alonso left liverpool possibly because of tulang besi article//

oh oh..ini badua punya hangover tak habis lah..kahkahkah

Rozana said...

If PAS has to put 'PAS for All' in all aspects, then 'Alcohol for all' is appropriate? for minor, pregnant ones, jaga, surgeon on duty etc..

Anonymous said...

I do notice that there is no public objection when the winner of Malaysian F1 got celebrated with his bottle of alcoholic drink

Instead I heard many fans jumping and dancing around. Please do something to them. Otherwise minor will follow suit. For minor F1 winner is like their hero.

What if change the alcoholic drink to milk?

Samuel Goh Kim Eng said...

BE CLEAR WITH BEER WITHOUT FEAR

You can indulge in your fear
While I enjoy my cold beer
You can keep your own fridge clear
While I fill mine up with full gear

(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng - 070809
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
Fri. 7th Aug. 2009.

Samuel Goh Kim Eng said...

DON'T BE CRAZY OVER WHAT YOU DON'T FANCY

When there's open garden 'beer diplomacy'
Are the people involved deemed crazy?
Why do some people like to be kept busy
Over matters outside their own fancy?

(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng - 070809
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
Fri. 7th Aug. 2009.

Anonymous said...

Samuel Goh Kim Eng

your style keep me alive!

Anonymous said...

If PAS has to put 'PAS for All' in all aspects, then 'Alcohol for all' is appropriate? for minor, pregnant ones, jaga, surgeon on duty etc..

Rozana respect sikitlah kepada orang-orang muslim

Mana boleh 'alcohol for'? Alcohol adalah haram bagi orang yang beragama islam, sami dan lain-lain agama yang saya tidak kenali

Tinta Hitam said...

sila layari blog saya mengenai isu ni.

http://tintahitammy.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

Samuel Goh Kim Eng,

Yum seng!

No beer ban announced by Selangor MB

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/34508-no-beer-ban-but-self-regulation-in-selangor

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 7, 2009 2:53 PM,

Are you tukartiub?

I like your kahkahkah

Be easy all commentators here. After all the battle is over as Selangor MB said no beer ban.

tulang babi said...

chicken feet, how would you like if i make soup out of your feet?

you know what....PAS better off stays put in PR. this would be good for the country especially the born muslim. maube you wouldn't know why i say that, but it's ok, need not to explain why here - got no time for that.

i give you another example why i say the DAP can tame PAS; when Ron Liu stopped the authority from raiding the illegal pros dens in Puchong - PAS kept their mouth shut, they don't even dare to voice out or to protest the DAP.

the bone head big mouth Tulang besi also said nothing about that.

need more example? nah i don't think you want to know more. i think the present arragement BN - PR is good, we need that.

one more thing, your feet smell bad- i don't think it's good for soup. keep your feet doh!

let me give

Anonymous said...

Kalau nak beli beer boleh beli dekat kawasan Rahman panjang atau Tulang Besi atau TB. Dia ni memang penyokong kuat DAP. Lagipun dia pernah kata bahagia sangat bawah DAP sebab wakil rakyat dia DAP tu dah lama jadi wakil kat situ. Siap cemolot tu. Sudahlah Rahman... Hang la h seorang hipokrit. Takut dgn DAP dari takut Allah. Pada aku Hang la manusia palig aku tak percaya.

Anonymous said...

Lain kali jangan asyik nak provok isu kenapa perlu takut dengan DAP. Inilah contohnya kalau DAP pegang kuasa. Isu konon tak perlu takut kat DAP adalah idea hang yang memakan diri. Pegi mampus lah hang rahman.

Chicken Feet aka KaKiaYam said...

"...chicken feet, how would you like if i make soup out of your feet?..."

tulang babi, if indeed what you said about prostitution den in puchong is true, then i would strongly support the removal of ronnie liu...

you will be surprised that many here are not die hard supporters of pas, dap or pkr, and obviously not bn.

But if it is indeed true, I wonder then, was it the duty of the MBSJ or was it the duty of the police less than 100m away? For this is a clear criminal case, as prostitution is against the law. So I wonder, would ronnie be so powerful as to stop the raid?

tulang babi, your function here is not the present your view, but to sow discord. your writing show it so clearly. In fact, I suspect the anon writing in bahasa is most probably your work too....

half lies peddlar...

"...one more thing, your feet smell bad- i don't think it's good for soup. keep your feet doh!one more thing, your feet smell bad- i don't think it's good for soup. keep your feet doh!..."

this response of yours pretty much sums up what you are, who you are. engaging you will be like playing with marbles with kids. :)

KaKiaYam

tulang babi said...

chicken feet says;"this response of yours pretty much sums up what you are, who you are. engaging you will be like playing with marbles with kids. :)"

ok chicken feet. i hear you. so you better off stay away from me when i'm playing with my marbles. or else i'll shove my marbles up your ass.....he,he,he,he

good nite chicken feet.

slyderrose said...

Some commentators here don't understand the real issue. To liquors lovers you can drink as much liquors as you want in Selangor. One gallon, 2 gallons or one pail. Go ahead drink. Drink at your own risk. PAS is not going to stop you. But you will never get liquors in malays majority areas. This is to be fair to muslim. See PAS is fair to all. To non-muslim liquors drinkers as well as to practising muslim. True to slogan. PAS for all. If you think PAS is not for all. By all means you are welcome to vote for umno.

Anonymous said...

Even though I'm from a different religion, I support TB's stance. In fact, let us not even see this as an Islamic issue. Let us see this a social issue. I drink alcohol. As a Christian, I have the freedom to drink alcohol. But the fact remains alcohol abuse is a serious problem that needs to be tackled strongly.

You know, we want Muslims to be sensitive to the feelings of non-Muslims, but here we have a 'perfect' opportunity to show our sympathy, solidarity and support to our Muslims friends on an issue which actually transcends religions once we remove our blinkers.

TB, keep up. The feelings of the Muslims on this issue must be respected. On the other hand, Hassan Ali is a damn Umno clone. We don't people like him in Pakatan Rakyat.

So, to the non-Muslims, you have to distinguish between the damn fool, Hassan Ali and the issue of alcohol abuse. Don't just think as a non-Muslim, but as a parent, friend, etc.

Hold on to your convictions, TB.

Anonymous said...

How come aah,majority of chinese are followers of KUng Fu Tze?Confucious thoughts are nothing compared to TAO,which is an aspect of the SUPREME/ALLAH/THE INFINITE/THE ETERNAL.

Anonymous said...

Alamak, pusing macam ini pun ada, adoi tulang besi get your facts right lah first, I live in Scandinavia and let me give you an insight. Normal beer is 4.8% lah, those 3.5% are considered as category 1, between 3,5-4.8 % is category 2, and 4.8 % is category 3, all these are sold at any pak chik and mak chik mat salleh kedai runcit up to super markets, only those alcoholic drinks above that are sold in govt monopolies, in Scandinavia, SWEDEN under "Systembolaget", FINLAND under "ALKO" etc. These govt monopolies are there because it is BIG Businness, when you have 5-7 months of darkness (winter) what do people do they drink, you won't find this on tourism broucheres. So it is a policy of if you can't stop them (from drinking)join them but by making a buck.
HELLO check your facts first lah brother, you say "All of the Scandinavian countries enforce the age limit rule to the maximum. There is no compromise.

Since, liquor is only sold in state owned monopoly outlets, enforcement of age-limit becomes very easy. And we see under-age drinking is not a big problem over there."
Have you ever heard of binge drinking, well go and check it out, the more govts try to control, the more people rebel, your claim of "it is not a problem over there" is BULL. IT IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IN SCANDINAVIA.
Yes teanagers cannot buy booze below the age of 18 for beers and 21 for hard liquors like WHISKY, VODKA, RUM, BRANDY etc. But go to any state alcoholic "KEDAI ARAK", walk around the corner and WALLA you can buy any alcoholic drink from mobile vendors- illegal ones lah, there is a thriving business of illegal alcohol peddlers who sell the "good stuff" at a hefty profit, e.g. a bottle of beer,0.33cl of 4.8%
-Harga Kedai biasa- 2 Euro(RM9.80),
sold on the streets at
Harga LUAR KEDAI- 3 -3.50 Euro(Rm 14-18.00) Just like drugs, there are a lot of takers- buyers lah, Hard liquor sales can be anything from20-30 euros per bottle of vodka, the cheap stuff- moonshine- poontika- home brewed vodka of 60-80% proof with enough etanol to start and run your car BRO. So you get Binge drinking leading to minum hingga pengsan/ mati scenario ( drinking too fast in short period of time)as a normal occurance in scandinavia every Fridays and Saturdays- with Ambulance crews at full alert and fully staffed.
CONT'D

Anonymous said...

SO WHAT are you talking about brother, "they don't have a problem there" CAKAP TAPI NO CHECK YOUR FACT MR. TULANG KAYU?
"In Norway, even the advertising of alcohol is prohibited."
Malaysia itu dadah ada advertise kah tamby. ITU incest ada advertise kah, itu duit kopi ada advertise kah? ADA OTAK KAH?
WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE IN SCANDINAVIA IS, WHITE ONLY bumiputra only policy, 30% discout for house for whites only, whites only bumi contractor, MALAYSIAN APARTHIED BUMIPUTRA ONLY POLICIES.
They also do not have do not have body snatcher, demolishing of places of worship, force conversion of minors, religion "peeping" squad, strict restriction of new places of worship like in Malaysia, what I find totally hypocrital, with this tepuk dada kuat agama mentality of the muslims in Malaysia is, You have the highest rate of incest in Malaysia, MAT rempits- Purse snatchers,TEAN PREGNANCIES- Foetuses dumped in dumpsters, belukars or flushed down the toilets, Drug addicts, body snatchers,Unemployable GRADUATES, Corrupt govt & civil servants who will sell their soul and integrity for a few ringgit, Mana ajaran agama di sana, mengapa tak AJAR, Mengapa buat sibuk mengenai rumah jiran, bila rumah sendiri is a disaster zone BRO. Instead of being so focused on the afterlife you loose the plot on your own lives while forgetting you only have one! Focus lah sikit bro, that is the problem, you always point the fingers at others while you are blind to your own short comings, GO and help the poor Malays- help them uplift their lives with new innovative ways to market their products, WHERE is the batik industry? Bernas? I notice the problem with the malays in Malaysia, they love slogans, make great speaches, but no follow through with their ideas- they get lost in translation, maybe too many commitee meetings trying to decide how to do something that by the time it is to be implemented it is already obslete or it is cancelled. WAKE up lah, jangan tidur, Focus on what you are capable of doing instead of promising something which you are incapable of doing,DO what you talk, Not talk what you GOING to do. If you want to haramkan this and that, start with drugs-corruption-putar belit- back stabbing.
BTW Since you brought up the subject of Norway- do you know what Norway does with its share of THE NORTH SEA OIL revenue, They save it for their childrens' future, they don't go spending it on mega money losing projects, They save the money for the future, when they will run out of oil. They don't have this shiok sendiri syndrome of space tourist, sail around the world_ but failed- but got rewarded< biggest flag, longest murtabak, roti chanai, shiok sendiri Guiness book of malaysia records- never heard of it, does timbaktu have a guinness book of timbaktu records? BTW GUINnESS TU apa? Kopi-o?
ANAK BANGSA MALAYSIA ..... yang di anak-tirikan.

malgal128 said...

Why ban liquor? We should control ourselves. Only those who are weak want to be controlled or want to control others. If a person has strong morals or faith, he or she need not be controlled. Liquor is also forbidden by other religions but they are not forced or controlled not to do it. They are given a choice to do what is right. Help those who fall in this area by understanding and educating them. Parents should learn to educate their children on what is right and what is wrong too so that their children will make right choices in life. You cannot ban everything in this world to protect the ones who are not strong. They will somehow find other ways to get what they want.

ikram said...

that is why i support the local council election. and people should have the right to vote whether or not a law should be enacted. only then we could clearly show the people voice.

Anonymous said...

Kiri311,

Inilah harga yg PAS perlu bayar.Adakah kerana undi,PAS sanggup terima arak?

Kita lihat komen puak2 DAP di sini.

Jika UG dilaksanakan,PAS boleh melaksanakan hukum haramkan arak sebagai salah satu syarat UG.

Lihatlah apa kenyataan Khalid Ibrahim.

Lihatlah Tony Pua dan sebagainya.

Lihatlah kat sini.

Tulang Besi, penyatuan dgn UMNO adalah salah satu jalan kepada perlaksaan hukum Islam, belum cuba belum tahu, letakkan syarat dulu,baru boleh kata UMNO tolak Islam.

Belum cuba dah tembak,inilah akibatnya.

Belum try belum tau.

Dulu PM lain,sekarang PM lain.

Anonymous said...

slyderrose wrote:

Some commentators here don't understand the real issue. To liquors lovers you can drink as much liquors as you want in Selangor. One gallon, 2 gallons or one pail. Go ahead drink. Drink at your own risk. PAS is not going to stop you. But you will never get liquors in malays majority areas. This is to be fair to muslim. See PAS is fair to all. To non-muslim liquors drinkers as well as to practising muslim. True to slogan. PAS for all. If you think PAS is not for all. By all means you are welcome to vote for umno.

Actually I hate to call someone stupid. But I must say that slyderrose really stupid. From the way you present your logic I know you belong to a particular race. This is the root of many problem in Malaysia.

Forget about 2020, forget about being advanced state. It is plain stupid. It cannot be achieved because there are too many stupid people around

your point #1: PAS is not going to stop you.

meaning: Yes! non-muslim can go to consume beer! Our PAS folks don't mind and do nothing to stop you to drink (By the way why PAS is so busybody?)

your point #2: But you will never get liquors in malays majority areas

meaning: Anyway we will stop you drinking by not selling it, by banning it, by make your life difficult, by legally or illegally, by threat, by force, by deception, by etc...

My conclusion:

Actually group one ie PAS and group two ie DAP/non-muslim are belong to two different world.

They see thing differently. In fact it is just either black or white. Just plain simple, that is either to ban or not to ban

To PAS and muslim parties, adun or MP, just form the UG.

To DAP and non muslim parties, adun or MP just form another political entity

Then problem solved. Either PAS and partners win or DAP and partners win.

The winner decides! Case closed.

Anonymous said...

By the way with PAS = muslim first

BN = bumiputera first

Anonymous said...

"Actually I hate to call someone stupid. But I must say that slyderrose really stupid. From the way you present your logic I know you belong to a particular race. This is the root of many problem in Malaysia.'

LOL!!u r the buffoon of the year!!;-)

Anonymous said...

Actually drug addiction plagues the malay community,alcoholism,rowdyism afflicts the indian community,and gambling addiction is the chinese community no1 enemy.All these afflictions,addictions are due to adopting blindly everything from the west.We want money,pussy,classy life,at any cost.Ultra materialism/western arse hole lickism is the consciousness of our society.Of course,banning /restricting alcohol sales in pre dominantly malay zones is not going solve the issues.We have to trace the root causes(both in urban/rural areas) and then cari ubat ubat yg sesuai.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of incest,one famous malayali yogi in India raped teenagers..bhagawan Rajnesh(SOHO) is a gang bang king and the adi shankara head in tamil nadu masok jail for murder..

Anonymous said...

Can Scandinavian member States play a leadership role in the EU? The case of alcohol control policy
Scandinavian Studies, Fall, 2002 by Paulette Kurzer
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FEW SCHOLARLY TOPICS provoke as much debate as the question of how or when member governments and domestic actors succeed in steering European Union policy outcomes, institutional design, treaty amendments, and initiatives into a particular direction. In this debate, it is often argued that small member states, like Finland and Sweden, are at a distinct disadvantage because they cannot throw their weight around the way in which the big players, for example France or Germany, can wheedle their European partners. But another viewpoint, counter to this seemingly commonsense observation, is that small states can marshal the resources to push forward narrow or specialized initiatives because they have cohesive administrative structures, staffed by a small elite, and are adept at cultivating ties with appropriate Commission officials. Owing to their tight-knit national administrative bureaucracies, smaller member states can attempt to accomplish a limited agenda of specific objectives at the EU (Thorhallson 2000).

This article examines these two contending views of how or whether Scandinavian member states have opportunities to be trend-setters and have the resources or opportunities to shape the basic substance of a specific issue by highlighting the controversy surrounding alcohol control policy. This particular constellation of measures occupies a very significant role in the history of the Scandinavian welfare state and differs from how other countries regulate the commodification of alcoholic beverages. Indeed, anti-drinking measures set off several rows between the new Scandinavian members and the EU with the final outcome that Finland and Sweden acquiesced to deregulate and liberalize their restrictive anti-drinking measures. Although Finland and Sweden (and Norway to a lesser extent) had no choice but to yield to EU expectations, they were given an adjustment period of just about a decade to implement the new rules.

Anonymous said...

Examining this issue at greater length allows us to raise two questions. First why did anti-drinking measures become a source of tension between the new Scandinavian member states and the EU? What constituted the original point of disagreements between these countries and the rest of Europe? Second, and a related question, is how to interpret the failure of Scandinavian officials to shield alcohol control policy from Community law and single market directives. Can we generalize from this case study to draw broader conclusions with regard to the ability of governments of smaller member states to protect essential national arrangement from external influence? Or do we need to view this particular issue through a different prism, resist any broad generalizations, and treat it as an exception to the general rule?

Anticipating my own argument, I will argue that for Finland and Sweden the room for agenda-setting and policy influence in this particular instance was limited because of a certain configuration of domestic conditions. By the time that the discussion about alcohol control policy had begun, public opinion had already turned against the merits of preserving the entire set of institutions to regulate alcohol consumption. This explains why the failure to arrest the erosion of alcohol control measures did not provoke voter disenchantment or an electoral backlash. Elite and mass opinion diverged and the majority of citizens in fact welcomed intervention by the EU on behalf of greater availability and lower prices of alcoholic beverages. Alcohol control policy is possibly a unique situation in that the public desires a European formulation of a domestic policy regime and happily trades a Scandinavian system of doing things for a European course of action. My argument is therefore that the Scandinavian public invited EU activism and urged reluctant national governments to adjust to EU standards and rules. As other authors in this volume demonstrate, under the right circumstances, Scandinavian officials can be trend-setters and influential actors. Yet, to accomplish anything at the EU level, policy officials need at the minimum the enthusiastic support of the voter. Otherwise, they are in no position to bargain with the Commission or Council and cannot effectively employ pressure tactics to persuade reluctant officials or partners to pay heed to their demands.

To illustrate this point further, this article begins with a short survey of the origins of alcohol control policy. It then examines the encounter between a European and Scandinavian mode of regulation of intoxicants. The third part of the paper looks at the decline of public support for tight restrictions on drinking. The fourth section speculates whether there is any possibility for Finland and Sweden to influence the formulation of a European-level anti-drinking campaign

Anonymous said...

SCANDINAVIAN ALCOHOL CONTROL SYSTEM

Detailed government intervention in the market of alcoholic beverages in order to promote public health separates the Scandinavian countries from the rest of the EU. Finland, Norway, and Sweden created and sustained a regime of anti-drinking measures to curb and modify alcohol consumption. A brief glance at per capita alcohol consumption taken from the mid-1990s confirms the claims of Scandinavian policy officials that restrictive drinking measures lead to low alcohol consumption and low incidence of alcohol-related morbidity and morality (see Tables 1 and 2). Denmark, which does not share the temperance culture and state ideology of its Scandinavian partners, has indeed a higher per capita consumption of alcohol and higher rates of cirrhosis of the liver. (1) At present, this whole system of regulation is at risk in the name of European integration. Commercial trade policy is forcing the two member governments to ease restrictions on alcohol imports, which could drastically cut domestic revenue from state-monopoly wine, beer, and spirits sales. If the government agrees to lower taxes to make domestic purchases competitive with neighboring countries, then it would also lose tax revenues. In each scenario, moreover, consumption of alcohol would rise. By 2004, furthermore, Swedish and Finnish consumers are at liberty to take home in the form of personal imports the equivalent of one hundred and ten liters of beer, ninety liters of wine, and ten liters of distilled spirits. With that, Finnish and Swedish consumers can basically avoid the domestic high tax/restricted availability regime by purchasing all their liquor needs abroad, where liquor prices are lower because many governments impose a very modest tax on beer and do not subject wine to any excise taxes (for example, Austria, France, Germany, Italy, Luxembourg, Spain, and Portugal). Other potential difficulties arise from the broader consequences flowing from the decision made by the European Court of Justice in March 2001 with respect to Konsumentombudsmannen (KO) and Gourmet International Products AB (GIP) [C-405/98]. The significance of the ruling centered on whether the Swedish prohibition on alcohol advertising in certain publications was consistent with the EC law. The Court ruled that it was for the national court to determine whether the prohibition on advertising meets the condition of proportionality, which is required in order to justify the ban on advertisement. With that decision, the European Court basically permits Sweden to ban alcoholic beverage advertisements so long as the Swedish authorities can demonstrate that protecting public health against the harmful effects of alcohol cannot be achieved by other means with less impact on intra-Community trade. It may be difficult for the Swedish government to prove that only a ban on alcohol advertisements in popular publications is the most effective way to moderate alcohol consumption

for more go2 http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb275/is_3_74/ai_n28960471/

Tulang Besi said...


Yeah it is really muslim didahulukan dan yang lain-lain pergi jauh-jauh

"PAS for all" ?

It is better "PAS for muslim" slogan for permatang pasir and GE 13

DAP what do you waiting for?
.

Well, here i have a few questions:

a. Isn't Islam the official religion of the state of Selangor?

b. Aren't the Muslims in Selangor part of the Selangor soceity as well, and therefore, they have rights too?

c. Since the ban doesn't include non muslims, how is this a sign of disrespect to minorities in selangor?

Tulang Besi said...

Tulang Besi, penyatuan dgn UMNO adalah salah satu jalan kepada perlaksaan hukum Islam, belum cuba belum tahu, letakkan syarat dulu,baru boleh kata UMNO tolak Islam.

Belum cuba dah tembak,inilah akibatnya.

Belum try belum tau.

Dulu PM lain,sekarang PM lain.
.

Suruh UMNO pecat Ahli Lembaga Pengarah Melayu/Islam di Calrsberg dulu.

Baru cerita pasal pengharaman arak di Selangor

Anonymous said...

In a country like ours, multiracial and multireligious, we need to make COMPROMISES. This is the way it should be in Pakatan. DAP will not get all it aspires and neither will PAS. When the rakyat voted for the Pakatan parties, they knew that DAP and PAS have different ideologies. Both parties are at each end of the spectrum. Leaders in Pakatan must know what is sensitive and what is not. It is not like they do not have platformS to discuss and negotiate what they want.There is the exco meetings and also the Majlis Pakatan Rakyat that meets regularly where all sensitive issues can be ironed out. Simple. I just cannot understand why they cannot discuss behind closed doors. Of course the rakyat are disappointed with them_ both with Hassan Ali, Ronnie Liu, Tony Pua etc Guys/Gals it is not the party, it is the personalities !!!

If DAP supporters say that they will not vote PAS comes GE13, PAS supporters will not vote for DAP as well.The beer issue is a small issue. PAS for ALL as I understand it is not about FREEDOM to do anything and everything. They are bound by their party ideology.It is about EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES and JUSTICE amongst others. It is ashame when PAS and DAP have so many struggles in common they choose to disagree publicly on this not so insurmountable issue.

If PAS wants to restrict beer sale in convenience stores to prevent muslims or muslim children from buying beer, then an alternative way must be thought of so that the non muslims are not inconvenienced to get their beers or even other alcoholic drinks. One way is to have licenced outlets that sell only alcoholic beverages whatever the concentration of the alcohol is. Now the non muslims will have even other liqours in their neighbourhood. if non muslims have accepted that alcoholic drinks (except beers) need to be licenced, why not beers as well. The lawmakers only need to do some amendments in the existing laws and every neighbourhood is allowed one (or more- according to demand and supply)) licenced alcoholic retailers. Just like the gambling dens, have also a law forbidding muslims patronising the store. Then enforcement would be more clearcut and more manageable.This is why ADUNS and MPS are known as LEGISLATORS OR LAW MAKERS

In future more sensitivities are going to surface. It takes lots of wisdom on the part of party leaders. Public bickering is something that the rakyat does not want to see too often. Leaders who try to champion narrow interests (wants to be a HERO) in public should not be accepted. It does not mean that you cannot stand for your party ideology, but you must negotiate your interests in a palatable way. Don't rise to UMNO's bait. In Kedah and Kelantan, PAS dominates so other component parties will have to respect their majority. In Selangor, PAS is the junior partner with 8 seats and yet 3 excos. So perform in your 3 portfolios and be judged by it. If PAS wants to be the majority in Selangor then you have to win more DUNS. As simple as that. So work hard in the malay dominated areas (won by UMNO). DAP too need to be sensitive in the sense that PAS has always represent ISLAMIC interests. UMNO now is trying to make PAS look as if they have given up their party struggle just to be in power and worst they are accused to be DAP stooges. So both should not fall into this trap.

And all you bloggers, lets have good and positive discussions if we want pakatan rakyat to take over the Federal govt (unless of course these are UMNO cyber troopers!)

Last but not least, lets teach the rakyat not only to vote for the party but also the candidate. So start watching your MPs and ADUNS. We need leaders who can bring the rakyat together and fight for the common good. Make sure the party contesting in your constituency puts up a good candidate and campaign the rakyat not to vote for undesirables. Cannot be too emotional laaa.....

MADAM X

Anonymous said...

Tulang Besi wrote:

a. Isn't Islam the official religion of the state of Selangor?


My comment: Any respond will highly possible be ISA-ed. RPK has done it.

Tulang Besi wrote:

b. Aren't the Muslims in Selangor part of the Selangor soceity as well, and therefore, they have rights too?


My comment: Muslim and non-muslim are part of society. Often the non-muslim are silenced via threat or otherwise. One commentator stated before, it is either black or white in Malaysia.

Tulang Besi wrote:

c. Since the ban doesn't include non muslims, how is this a sign of disrespect to minorities in selangor?


My comment: Another stupid and contradicted logic. Your logic here is like this

"No no the ban only for muslim"

But in effect, it force non-muslim like begger to travel/search/beg somewhere for a drink that muslim don't fancy?

DAP and PAS is just like oil and water which never mix well even PKR's Anwar try hard to make it.

Anonymous said...

Tulang Besi,

I want to know your opinion about beer selling machine that required mycard or adult authentication card so that minor and muslim cannot buy it?

Is this the perfect solution?

Anonymous said...

DAP has come under heavy ..the plot to topple Pakatan Gov in S'gor has led to the tragic death of Teah..Lim Guan Eng/Pakatan leaders are being attaked by the folks of Kampung Buah Pala who are now under the influence of MIC,and let's not forget the attacks on Ronnie Liew.DAP's young turks like Jeff OOi,Ronnie,Tony Pua are probably feeling the heat...so let's be calm &cool n be determined!,becos BN haramjadah barua will continue to attack and attack..

Anonymous said...

"I want to know your opinion about beer selling machine that required mycard or adult authentication card so that minor and muslim cannot buy it?"
Betuikah ni..waah,company bikin mykard is UMNO chootia punya ..yalah..lot's of UMNo f*k nuts are share holders of companies selling liquor waat..pariahmamak kutty's son has 20% stake in san Miguel beer..Khairy pulak dengar khabar ada stake in SKOL beer & SAA rokok..pasai carlsberg tak payah ceritalah..

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 8, 2009 10:09 PM,

setuju atau tidak?

peduli apa umno ini?

Selangor ini PR punya

jika setuju sama sama jayakan lah

Jadi tiada isu beer di antara PAS dan DAP, apamacam?

Anonymous said...

Sesiapa yang tahu atau ada connection kepada MB Selangor sila beritahu beliau mengenai cadangan supaya menggunakan mesin menjual beer yang memerlukan mykad atau kad dewasa.

maka tiada muslim atau remaja bawah umur boleh membelinya

setahu saya MB selangor sedang mengkaji cara berkesan menghalang penjualan beer kepada muslim dan remaja dan pada masa yang sama tidak membebankan golongan pembeli beer

Anonymous said...

"Jadi tiada isu beer di antara PAS dan DAP, apamacam?"

Correct!

Anonymous said...

oh,ini cukup bes!!
Hasan Ali lebih dari layak untuk pimpin Selangor
Oleh Huzaifah Ahmad Yamani
Dalam Islam, kita diajar cakap serupa bikin. Apatah lagi Hasan Ali adalah pemimpin no. 1 PAS Selangor. Bukan main-main tu. Rasanya pasti Hasan Ali dah khatam buku tafsir tulisan Hj Hadi iaitu Tafsir Surah as-Saff. Ini buku rujukan usrah asas dalam PAS. Hasan Ali mesti sudah membahaskan ayat kedua dalam surah ini, bahawa Tuhan sangat murka kepada orang yang hanya reti bercakap; tapi dia sendiri tak buat! Hasan Ali mesti dah hafal dan hadam surah ini, jika tidak macam mana Hj Hadi boleh lantik dia jadi Pesuruh Jaya Pas Selangor. Bukan senang nak jadi PJ, dia mestilah orang yang alim, warak, bijaksana dan bijaksini…nak pimpin negeri yang mana ahli-ahli PAS majoritinya cerdik dan pandailah katakan…maka, seseorang yang terpilih menjadi PJ pastilah memenuhi ciri-ciri asas ini.
Kita yakin, Hasan Ali sudah pasti telah melalui marhalah demi marhalah tarbiyyah yang komprehensif dalam PAS. Yalah, Hasan Ali kan menyertai PAS pada tahun 1997, kemudian diangkat menjadi PJ hingga kini, sudah pastilah dia kena melalui marhalah tarbiyah dalam PAS secara aktif dan ekspress. Jika orang lain semasa di sekolah menengah dah isi borang PAS, dah kena ikut marhalah tarbiyyah yang pelbagai peringkat; maka Hasan Ali lagilah kena catch up semua tu. Yalah, hangpa ingat senang ke Hj Hadi nak bagi can Hasan Ali jadi PJ Selangor jika Hasan Ali pun caca marba tarbiyah dia. Hj Hadi mesti dah buat tapisan, dah buat imtihan khas kepada Hasan Ali, hingga Hasan Ali lulus dan dengan itu layak ditabalkan sebagai PJ Selangor. Hebat sungguh Hasan Ali pesuruh jaya ku ini.
Dalam pada itu, mana ada tokoh kepimpinan PAS di Selangor yang mampu menyaingi kehebatan Hasan Ali. Dia adalah ikon profesional yang berjaya memberi imej profesional kepada PAS. Setakat orang lain, Ir Khalid Samad, Dr Che Rosli, Dr Hatta Ramly, Dr Lo’Lo’ Ghazali, Dr Zulkifly Ahmad, Ir Iskandar, Dr Halimah, Dr Mariah…alah, depa ni profesioanl biasa-biasa sahaja. Depa tak ada PhD dan tak reti motivasi macam Hasan Ali. Maka, sebab itu PAS terhutang budi dengan Hasan Ali. Hj Hadi pun tahu menilai siapa Hasan Ali dan sebab itu dia kena diraikan dalam posisi kepimpinan PAS Selangor. Takkanlah Hasan Ali yang sebegitu profesional nak diberikan jawatan kecil…mana padan dengan jasanya membawa ribuan profesional lain memasuki PAS.

Anonymous said...

Hasan Ali juga mempunyai rekod yang sangat bersih dalam kepimpinannya. Dia bukanlah jenis manusia yang menolak mentah-mentah segala aduan dan rungutan anak buah. Hasan Ali akan layan, tapi dengan syarat aduan mestilah disertai bukti. Ada supportive document. Jika setakat dengar, hear say…Hasan Ali memang patut tak layan pun. Ini melambangkan status profesionalisme Hasan Ali. Barulah orang tak boleh main-main dengan dia. Sebab itulah Hj Hadi yakin dengan Hasan ALi. Inilah calon kepimpinan unggul di Selangor. Mana ada orang lain seperti dia lagi hari ini, mana ada.
Sebab itu kita semua - tak kiralah daripada PKR ke, DAP ke apatah lagi dari PAS, kena hormat dengan pemilihan Hj Hadi ini. Hasan Ali memang layak mengetuai PAS Selangor. Dia mempunyai kriteria hampir sempurna seorang pemimpin. Yalah, setengah pemimpin lain tu, mana reti nak bercakap berapi-rapi dengan memek muka yang real sekali gus, Hj Hadi pun kalah, tapi Hasan ALi boleh buat. Orang boleh gelak dan orang boleh teroyak mendengar celotehnya. Jika nak dibandingkan dengan pemimpin-pemimpin lain di Selangor…huih…jauh panggang dari api. Semuanya tal boleh layan Hasan Ali dalam bab petah bercakap.
Oleh itu, Hasan Ali memang layak jadi pemimpin di Selangor. Sesiapa yang membantah dia, maka memang jahillah orang itu. Tak baik syeikh…lawan pilihan Hj Hadi!
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Anonymous said...

isue beer di selangor,sama macam isu lembu di buah pala..sengaja diperbesarkan utk f*kupkan pakatan..apamacm bro..setuju?

Anonymous said...

"Sesiapa yang membantah dia, maka memang jahillah orang itu. Tak baik syeikh…lawan pilihan Hj Hadi!
"


Setahu saya Hj Hadi sendiri juga dibantah oleh MB Kelantan,

Tapi saya rasa MB Kelantan tak jahil pun.

Selain tuhan, orang biasa juga akan melakukan kesilapan.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 8, 2009 10:37 PM,

Setuju. Tetapi di kampung buah pala, penduduk yang tamak menjadi isu

Sudahlah bagi rumak 2 tingkat, tak terima pula. Ini tamak namanya

Anonymous said...

Saya ini bukan beragama islam.

Saya keliru dengan komen bahawa arak ini haram dalam islam kerana terdapat komen bahawa arak itu tidak haram

Saya nak tanya sesiapa yang tahu / mempunyai ilmu dalam agama islam supaya mengesah komen dibawah yang di buat oleh pak yeh

ALLah tidak haramkan alkohol!!! Ulamak Agama Hadis Bukhari/Muslim sahaja yang haramkan minuman keras!!!
Maaf ,saya berAgama alQuran dan bukan berAgama hadis Bukhari/Muslim !!!
Pendapat berbeza perlu di hormati jika ia berbuktikan AlQuran/Allah !!!


sila lihat perbincangan pak yeh di sini

http://penarikbeca.blogspot.com/2009/08/nahi-mungkar-jangan-kacau-hak.html

Hassan Ali Selan ngok said...

Pantun si keling mabuk todi

Bulan purnama seperti raksasa,

Rampas saja muka selamba,

Siapa dia sial manusia,

Sebab dia PR binasa.

Anonymous said...

"Sudahlah bagi rumak 2 tingkat, tak terima pula."

Sengaja tak nak terima,sebab nak bikin kacau maksima!

Tulang Besi said...



But in effect, it force non-muslim like begger to travel/search/beg somewhere for a drink that muslim don't fancy?

DAP and PAS is just like oil and water which never mix well even PKR's Anwar try hard to make it.
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Not really. Non Muslims can buy liqour in Chinese Restaurants in the local area.

So how is that an inconvenience?

Tulang Besi said...


Saya nak tanya sesiapa yang tahu / mempunyai ilmu dalam agama islam supaya mengesah komen dibawah yang di buat oleh pak yeh

ALLah tidak haramkan alkohol!!! Ulamak Agama Hadis Bukhari/Muslim sahaja yang haramkan minuman keras!!!
Maaf ,saya berAgama alQuran dan bukan berAgama hadis Bukhari/Muslim !!!
Pendapat berbeza perlu di hormati jika ia berbuktikan AlQuran/Allah !!!
.

Pak yeh ni kepala dia tak betul.

Al Hadeeth Nabi adalah wahyu dari Allah SWT.

Jadi, ia bukan ciptaan Imam Bukhari atau Imam Muslim.

TB: tuberculosis said...

MLTR: Malaysia-apek Learns To Rock

Pantun tempatan

Bulan kata untuk semua,

Rasa sedap bagai kuih raya,

Bila menang pilihan raya,

Dimana beer aku untuk beraya.

Anonymous said...

Encik tulang besi,

jadi kesimpulannya arak itu haram atau tidak di sisi agama islam?

Pak Yeh kata arak yang kandungan alcohol yang rendah itu tak haram. Betulke tidak?

Anonymous said...

Sanatan dharma aka hinduism and Islam are like brothers..ya..ini betui..they share so many things in comman..there are plenty verses in the vedas and in the quran which mention wine, milk,honey,river..we must always keep in our mind and in our hearts that the vedas(plus the upanishads),and the quran are revelations of the SUPREME..using human logic to mentafsir the verses/ayats whill be a total failure..

[Yusufali 12:49] "Then will come after that (period) a year in which the people will have abundant water, and in which they will press (wine and oil)."(note the word "press")

[Yusufali 76:21] Upon them will be green Garments of fine silk and heavy brocade, and they will be adorned with Bracelets of silver; and their Lord will give to them to drink of a Wine Pure and Holy.

[Yusufali 12:36] Now with him there came into the prison two young men. Said one of them: "I see myself (in a dream) pressing wine." said the other: "I see myself (in a dream) carrying bread on my head, and birds are eating, thereof." "Tell us" (they said) "The truth and meaning thereof: for we see thou art one that doth good (to all)."

[Yusufali 12:41] "O my two companions of the prison! As to one of you, he will pour out the wine for his lord to drink: as for the other, he will hang from the cross, and the birds will eat from off his head. (so) hath been decreed that matter whereof ye twain do enquire"...

[Yusufali 83:25] Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed:

From the secret of the vedas(volume10)-The God of the mystic wine..(by Sri Aurobindo)
THE GOD OF THE MYSTIC WINE*



I

IX.42



Giving birth to the luminous worlds of heaven,¹giving birth to the Sun in the waters,² the Brilliant One clothes himself with the waters and the rays.³


He by the ancient thought flows pressed out in a stream, a god around the gods. (note the word "pressed")



For one increasing and swiftly advancing4 there flow for his winning of the plenty the Soma-juices with their thousand strengths.



Milked out, the ancient food, he is poured into the strainer that purifies and shouting he brings to birth the gods.

¹These two hymns are rendered as literally as possible so as to show the original symbolism of the Veda untranslated into its psychological equivalents.

²The three worlds of Swar.

³Agni, Surya and Soma himself are said to be found in the waters or seven rivers. ' Gāḥ, meaning both cows and rays.

4 On the path, through all obstacles; the sacrifice is figured both as a growth of man and as a journey.

Anonymous said...

KBP: Keranamu Belacan Pusing

Pantun Pinang Meminang

Hidup aku tiada hutang,

Maka baju tiada butang,

Orang aku tiada tulang,

Mintak todi dibawa pulang.

NGO: Main Cari Amoi said...

KBP: Keranamu Belacan Pusing (versi emas terhad)

Pantun Pinang Tenang

Belacan oh belacan,

Bagilah chan bagilah chan,

Belacan panggilku Ah Chan,

Bagi chan minumlah belacan.

Masak Sati said...

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Samsu-Din Loves Cals-Berger


Badak sumbu tinggal di zoo,

Bergigi susu tidak menyusu,

Hilang samsu tidak membisu,

MB itu selamatkan samsu.

Malaysia Hebat said...

Anonymous wrote:

Alamak, pusing macam ini pun ada, adoi tulang besi get your facts right lah first, I live in Scandinavia and let me give you an insight. Normal beer is 4.8% lah, those 3.5% are considered as category 1, between 3,5-4.8 % is category 2, and 4.8 % is category 3, all these are sold at any pak chik and mak chik mat salleh kedai runcit up to super markets


My comment via pantun is:

Kelentong sana kelentong sini,

Susu segar jadi basi,

Engkau kata engkau besi,

Aku kata engkau basi.

Anonymous said...

Ala,why lah u fellas r attacking bro tualng besi..look man,he is an ortodox pious muslim..salahkah?he is certainly not in Dr.Hassan Ali's categori..and Scandanavian coutries "loosened" their strict alcohol laws after masuking EU..baca betui betui..

Anonymous said...

The word "press" actually means compression..the sankrit word for it is tapas(sat-cit/tapas-ananda)..and the wine mentioned in the quran is certainly not arak kat 7-11,kedai runcit..in truth,it's the divine blis(ananda) being released by compression..wokey?

Anonymous said...

Now,what about the "rivers" mentioned in the quran?

[Yusufali 48:5] That He may admit the men and women who believe, to Gardens beneath which rivers flow, to dwell therein for aye, and remove their ills from them;- and that is, in the sight of Allah, the highest achievement (for man),-




[Yusufali 39:20] But it is for those who fear their Lord. That lofty mansions, one above another, have been built: beneath them flow rivers (of delight): (such is) the Promise of Allah: never doth Allah fail in (His) promise.

[Yusufali 98:8] Their reward is with Allah: Gardens of Eternity, beneath which rivers flow; they will dwell therein for ever; Allah well pleased with them, and they with Him: all this for such as fear their Lord and Cherisher.

Yusufali 57:12] One Day shalt thou see the believing men and the believing women- how their Light runs forward before them and by their right hands: (their greeting will be): "Good News for you this Day! Gardens beneath which flow rivers! to dwell therein for aye! This is indeed the highest Achievement!"




From the secret of the vedas(volume 10) by sri Aurobindo

The Image of the Oceans and the Rivers
THE three Riks of the third hymn of Madhuchchhandas in which Saraswati has been invoked, run as follows, in the Sanskrit:



Pāvakā naḥ sarasvatī vājebhir vājinīvatī;

yajñam vaṣtu dhiyāvasuḥ.

Codayitrī sūnṛtānām, cetantī sumatīnām;

yajñam dadhe sarasvatī.

Maho arṇaḥ sarasvatī, pra cetayati ketunā;

dhiyo viśvā vi rājati.



The sense of the first two verses is clear enough when we know Saraswati to be that power of the Truth which we call inspiration. Inspiration from the Truth purifies by getting rid of all falsehood, for all sin according to the Indian idea is merely falsehood, wrongly inspired emotion, wrongly directed will and action. The central idea of life and ourselves from which we start is a falsehood and all else is falsified by it. Truth comes to us as a light, a voice, compelling a change of thought, imposing a new discernment of ourselves and all around us. Truth of thought creates truth of vision and truth of vision forms in us truth of being, and out of truth of being (satyam) flows naturally truth of emotion, will and action. This is indeed the central notion of the Veda.

Anonymous said...

And what about "dawn"..

[Yusufali 113:1] Say: I seek refuge with the Lord of the Dawn


She follows to the goal of those that are passing on beyond, she is the first in the eternal succession of the dawns that are coming, - Usha widens bringing out that which lives, awakening someone who was dead.... What is her scope when she harmonises with the dawns that shone out before and those that now must shine? She desires the ancient mornings and fulfils their light; projecting forwards her illumination she enters into communion with the rest that are to come.

Kutsa Angirasa - Rig Veda, I. 113. 8, 10.

Coincidence?

Anonymous said...

"The Maulvi made me listen to a most entertaining sermon on religion. That Hinduism and Islam have the same basic principles: in the Omkara of the Hindus we have the three syllables, A, U, M; the first three letters of the Holy Koran are A, L, M. According to philological laws, U is used for L; ergo, Hindus and Musulmans have the same mantra or sacred syllables."
(excerpt from Sri Aurobindo's prison life")

Anonymous said...

[Yusufali 6:71] Say: "Shall we indeed call on others besides Allah,- things that can do us neither good nor harm,- and turn on our heels after receiving guidance from Allah? - like one whom the evil ones have made into a fool, wandering bewildered through the earth, his friends calling, come to us', (vainly) guiding him to the path." Say: "Allah's guidance is the (only) guidance, and we have been directed to submit ourselves to the Lord of the worlds;-

[Yusufali 12:101] "O my Lord! Thou hast indeed bestowed on me some power, and taught me something of the interpretation of dreams and events,- O Thou Creator of the heavens and the earth! Thou art my Protector in this world and in the Hereafter. Take Thou my soul (at death) as one submitting to Thy will (as a Muslim), and unite me with the righteous."

He who surrenders to the Supreme with complete faith and dependence and without making any claims, all responsibility for his own good or harm, weal or woe, virtue or sin; he who wants to act according to His behests instead of being attached to works dear to his own heart; who accepts the impulsions received from Him instead of satisfying his own propensities; who puts to use in His work the qualities and inspirations given by Him instead of eagerly hugging at the qualities admired by himself—it is that selfless and faithful Karmayogin who becomes the Supreme's dearest friend and the best vehicle of His Power; through him is accomplished flawlessly a stupendous work for the world. Muhammad, the founder of Islam, was a supreme yogin of this type. Arjuna too was ever on the alert to make an effort at this self-surrender; this effort was the cause of Sri Krishna's love and satisfaction. He alone who makes a serious effort at self-surrender is the best fitted to receive the

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Gita's teaching. Sri Krishna becomes his Teacher and Friend and takes over all responsibility for him in this world and in the next.
(from sri aurobindo's Gita An Introduction)

Daniel Toffee said...

I complain about the action of MBSA in confiscating liquor from a shop that has been "warned 4 times" because it's against the law.
I support what Tony Pua said because it's a fact that MBSA acted illegally.
You want to ban alcohol? You want to confiscate liquor? Can, make it a LAW first.
Don't keep telling us the examples of Kelantan. I give you one counter example. Ah Kau robs you in front of your house but you do not report to the police. Does that mean Ah Kau's action not a criminal act?

Tulang Besi said...

[Yusufali 6:71] Say: "Shall we indeed call on others besides Allah,- things that can do us neither good nor harm,- and turn on our heels after receiving guidance from Allah? - like one whom the evil ones have made into a fool, wandering bewildered through the earth, his friends calling, come to us', (vainly) guiding him to the path." Say: "Allah's guidance is the (only) guidance, and we have been directed to submit ourselves to the Lord of the worlds;-

[Yusufali 12:101] "O my Lord! Thou hast indeed bestowed on me some power, and taught me something of the interpretation of dreams and events,- O Thou Creator of the heavens and the earth! Thou art my Protector in this world and in the Hereafter. Take Thou my soul (at death) as one submitting to Thy will (as a Muslim), and unite me with the righteous."

He who surrenders to the Supreme with complete faith and dependence and without making any claims, all responsibility for his own good or harm, weal or woe, virtue or sin; he who wants to act according to His behests instead of being attached to works dear to his own heart; who accepts the impulsions received from Him instead of satisfying his own propensities; who puts to use in His work the qualities and inspirations given by Him instead of eagerly hugging at the qualities admired by himself—it is that selfless and faithful Karmayogin who becomes the Supreme's dearest friend and the best vehicle of His Power; through him is accomplished flawlessly a stupendous work for the world. Muhammad, the founder of Islam, was a supreme yogin of this type. Arjuna too was ever on the alert to make an effort at this self-surrender; this effort was the cause of Sri Krishna's love and satisfaction. He alone who makes a serious effort at self-surrender is the best fitted to receive the

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Gita's teaching. Sri Krishna becomes his Teacher and Friend and takes over all responsibility for him in this world and in the next.
(from sri aurobindo's Gita An Introduction)

August 11, 2009 12:20 AM
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Anonymous Daniel Toffee said...

I complain about the action of MBSA in confiscating liquor from a shop that has been "warned 4 times" because it's against the law.
I support what Tony Pua said because it's a fact that MBSA acted illegally.
.

If you say so, then why don't u sue the MBSA?

while doing that, why don't u sue the Kelantan various municipalities as well.

Tony Pua's background is Economics and politics and he has zero experience with Malaysian laws.

The blind leading the blind.

Tulang Besi said...

Now,what about the "rivers" mentioned in the quran?.

They are in heaven, not here in the real world.

There is a difference

Tulang Besi said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Encik tulang besi,

jadi kesimpulannya arak itu haram atau tidak di sisi agama islam?

Pak Yeh kata arak yang kandungan alcohol yang rendah itu tak haram. Betulke tidak?
.

Arak itu haram tidak kira kandungan alkohol rendah atau tinggi.

Arak adalah najis dan najis adalah haram.

Minum arak macam minum air kencing. Dari sudut Islam

Daniel Toffee said...

Oh forgive me, I do not know I have the right to sue MBSA, I don't even live in Malaysia, not to say Shah Alam, and I do not have that much money to initiate such action. Besides suing, don't we have other ways to settle any dispute? In short, I am saying to you, why do I need to sue? Why don't yourself sue the Selangor government? Sue Khalid? Don't make yourself sounds like a fool.

Tulang Besi said...

Anonymous Daniel Toffee said...

Oh forgive me, I do not know I have the right to sue MBSA, I don't even live in Malaysia, not to say Shah Alam, and I do not have that much money to initiate such action. Besides suing, don't we have other ways to settle any dispute? In short, I am saying to you, why do I need to sue? Why don't yourself sue the Selangor government? Sue Khalid? Don't make yourself sounds like a fool.
.

Maybe if u didn't know, you should learn first?

Daniel Toffee said...

Haha... you are again missing the point here, why don't you read properly before responding?
so you are saying we need to sue sue and sue to settle any dispute?
I am saying we do not need to do so. Come, answer my question, or you choose to be a coward not answering people's question?

and besides making youself sound like a fool here, you are also making yourself sounds like an Islam fanatic, just like PAS pre 318.

Daniel Toffee said...

another point, I said I did not have the money to sue sue sue, are you paying attention to that part of my argument?
You only choose one to tembak at when I told you 3 reasons.

Tulang Besi said...

Daniel Tofeee,

The reason for u to sue is to prove that what you claim is true.

Or are u just one of those people who only knows how to talk but has zero action.

You know, the kind that lets out only hot air.

Wait.. you're NATO, No Action Talk Only.

Prove me wrong, Daniel Toffee, i dare you.

Tulang Besi said...

another point, I said I did not have the money to sue sue sue, are you paying attention to that part of my argument?
You only choose one to tembak at when I told you 3 reasons.
.

kahkahkah. A sign of a loser.

If your case is iron clad, lawyers will be begging to take up your case.

But, since it's nothing but a figment of your imagination, i guess no one in their right mind will take your case, even if you pay them in the billions.

Kahkahkah

Daniel Toffee said...

Tulang Besi the biggest loser,
You still dare not answer my question.
But I don't expect loser like you to dare to answer any challenge.
If you are not sure what question I am talking about, then you should go back to school and not blog here. Islam fanatic.

Anonymous said...

They are in heaven, not here in the real world.

There is a difference
----------------------------------
Not exactly..there is no separation..the clue is ROH..the stream and the ocean are one

Anonymous said...

Who sustain this world,u and me,the trees,the mountains,the oceans,the wind,the flowers,the atoms,the particles,fire,everything?How it is sustained,and what's the name of the primer that keeps us alive?

Who decides what is halal or haram?

Anonymous said...

[Yusufali 2:115] To Allah belong the east and the West: Whithersoever ye turn, there is the presence of Allah. For Allah is all-Pervading, all-Knowing.

Ask anyone fram any faith,they will say,heaven,tuhan ada ataih,"lain lain" ada bawah:-)

Anonymous said...

That haramzadah Zulkifli Noordin,that double headed snake ejen subversif Dr.Hassan Ali are tuhan's favourites kot..when the atmosphre is clouded in darkness,all the halals will turn into haram..

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