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Tuesday, September 8, 2009

Islam is Against Paganism, not Modernity

The Arabs during the time the Prophet received his appointment as Prophet were steeped in Paganism and pagan cultures. Part of the pagan Arab culture at that time is:
a. gambling,
b. alcoholism,
c. fornication (free sex),
d. adultery (free sex),
e. nakedness (hence we have the jilbab),
f. idolatry,
g. disregard for hygiene ( there is a hadeeth on torcher for those who do not
clean properly after urinating)
h. murder,
i. infanticide (otherwise known today as abortion)
j. homosexuality
and many more.



Many question why the punishment for alcohol in Islam is “harsh” like in the Kartika Sari’s case. In truth, the punishment is not meant for consumption of alcohol. The real enemy behind the punishment is pagan paradigm. The harsh punishment prescribed by Islam for the list above was meant to cleanse the Arabs ( and Muslims) from Paganism.

Islam views Paganism as a crime against humanity. So, there is a need to cleanse human beings from going back to their pagan ways and cultures. And it seems that humans, without guidance and enforcement will almost always slide back into paganism subconsciously.

We see now in the West that cultures like gambling, alcoholism, free sex, nakedness, infanticide etc is now considered as human rights and no legislation is allowed to be passed prohibiting them. This is where Islam will come into collision with the Western values and culture.

The West worships and upholds paganism while Islam strive to clean the human race from it. Islam’s struggle is made harder when Paganism is now masked as “human right” when it is nothing more than a deviation from human nature.

Islam on the other hand is painted as being unprogressive and repressive and not in tuned with modernity. Funny thing is that the detractors never seem to bother to mention the fact that 40 years after the law of caning for alcohol was passed, the “Pagan” and backward Arabs came out from the Arabian Peninsula and conquered the Persian Empire and 4/5 of the Roman Eastern Empire, including Spain and 4/5 of Gaul/France.

Muawiyyah was able to turn camel riding Arabs in the desert into fighting sailors and defeated the Roman navies thus preventing them from resupplying their garrisons in Alexandria resulting in the fall of the entire Northern Africa territory once belonged to the Roman Eastern Empire.

So, no. The harsh punishment for alcoholism, among others, helped the Prophet SAW to turn a backward, pagan, uncivilized people of the desert into one of the most prolific empire man has even known in less than 60 years while at the same time destroying the Persian empire and reducing the Roman Eastern Empire to 1/5 of their former territories.

Their emperor, Heraklius, went into seclusion and thus insanity after his army was decimated by Khalis Ibnu Walid in Yarmuk (Jordan).

So, I think it’s the other way round. The West is going back to Paganism. That explains their contempt to Christianity and their tolerance for anything that is not Christian including secularism. They even view progress as being anything that turns back Christianity or religion. Their most important vessel towards paganism is of course secularism.

On the hand, Islam despise and had worked tirelessly from day one to turn back the tide of paganism. This explains the tension between Western trends and Islam and I believe the tide will not subside and will forever continue.

The West are proud of their models/actresses who parades in clothes that exposes 4/5 of their bodies. It is exactly the culture of the pagan Arabs during the time of the Prophet where women were proud of exposing the cleavages. Hence, Islam prescribed the “jilbab” to cure this element of paganism. The West decides to ridicule the “Jilbab” and labels them as being backward and anti progress when it is them that is sliding into “cave men” mentality.

So, the way Western media responded to the Kartika Sari’s caning should not have been a surprise to any Muslim. Since, the Kartika Sari’s punishment is a step towards climbing out of paganism which the West despises so much, It is a slap in the face to Western hypocrisy and western media responded the only way they know, the Pagan way.

Tulang Besi
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61 comments:

Guile said...

a. gambling = last hope when money needed
b. alcoholism = nice drink
c. fornication (free sex) = pleasure
d. adultery (free sex) = pleasure
e. nakedness = nature is best
h. murder = yes this is wrong
i. infanticide = reason: to poor to raise a child
j. homosexuality = born like this, nothing wrong

Tulang Besi said...

Anonymous Guile said...

a. gambling = last hope when money needed
b. alcoholism = nice drink
c. fornication (free sex) = pleasure
d. adultery (free sex) = pleasure
e. nakedness = nature is best
h. murder = yes this is wrong
i. infanticide = reason: to poor to raise a child
j. homosexuality = born like this, nothing wrong

September 8, 2009 9:19 AM
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See, people make a lot of excuses for their "pagan tendencies"

Tulang Besi said...

And people are not born homosexual cause there is no proof of that.

Guile said...

Based on many reports available online, a man simply cannot aroused when his partner is a female. But with another man, no problem at all.

This man born to be homosexual.

Guile said...

gambling also OKed by god. Many deities offer 4D numbers for needy. And even the winner of the 4D number must payback by donation/rebuilding the temple.

There are also cases which the payback in terms of life. Yes money for life, when someone die after winning 4D.

Tulang Besi said...

Anonymous Guile said...

Based on many reports available online, a man simply cannot aroused when his partner is a female. But with another man, no problem at all.

This man born to be homosexual.
.

Funny, no scientific evidence proving that one is born with it.

Guile said...

Homosexual is not a funny thing. Please ask any social workers and psychologists for expert opinions. There is difference between theory (whatever cited in your religion) and practice (what happen actually).

Anonymous said...

Mr. Guile,
Let be..
1. your son married to Joe and make sure is well publicized.
2. your daughter got drunk in club sorrounded with casanova. Then, after 9 months you need DNA report.

QC

Guile said...

To anonymous September 8, 2009 10:56 AM,

please state your name. It is very difficult to know who you are.

My response to your point #1 = it is their freedom. They are born like that what to do.

My response to your point #2 = it is pleasure of my daugther, what to do. Let her choose the best partner.

Tulang Besi said...

My response to your point #1 = it is their freedom. They are born like that what to do. .

So if a person chose to remain insane, it's up to them?

What about trying to get them cured, since homosexuality is not something you are born with?

Also, isn't tolerance of homosexuality means that we are relegating our soceity to the level of pagans?

Guile said...

Happiness is priceless. That is very valuable and important in life. Too many control and no-nos will make life dumb and miserable.

I'm not sure if heaven/hell existed as it is not scientifically proven.

Anonymous said...

It's a fact that islam and christinaty shares a lot in common,all those mentioned above are forbidden.What is surprising to others( non-christen/non-muslim)why the followers of these 2 great religions can't seem to become better friends.Why?

Tulang Besi said...

because of the prolonged armed confrontation between:

a. Ummayah vs Visigoth in Spain

b. Umar vs Greco Roman empire

c. Ottoman vs Constantinople

d. the ongoing Crusade

Anonymous said...

Saudara TB,
There are in fact lots of scientific evidence on homosexuality. The recent conclusion agreed by many medical experts is:
- Homosexuality is not a psychological illness.
- Everyone has certain degree of homosexuality and heterosexuality in them. Its the matter of magnitude.

Of course, if you are close minded and only want to believe what you want to believe, you would not be able to see the bigger picture.

Why can't we accept the fact that there aremore than 2 types of human? Male, female, bisexual (human born with male & female organ) etc.

Tulang Besi said...


There are in fact lots of scientific evidence on homosexuality. The recent conclusion agreed by many medical experts is:
- Homosexuality is not a psychological illness.
- Everyone has certain degree of homosexuality and heterosexuality in them. Its the matter of magnitude.
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Actually no. Every year during the AMA conference, former gays will demonstrate to show that they are have been cured.

In fact, the idea that homosexuality is not a disease is slowly being phased out.

In truth, there is ZERO EVIDENCE proving homosexuality is inert and cannot be cured.

Tulang Besi said...


Of course, if you are close minded and only want to believe what you want to believe, you would not be able to see the bigger picture.
.

What's the use of seeing the bigger picture when the bigger picture is a lie?

I see only facts cause that helps.

Anonymous said...

There is no scientific basis for homosexuality. It is against nature ... the creation(al) order.

Anonymous said...

If Homosexuality is so bad then why many Pakistani and Afgani Muslim men do it?

They keep young boys for this purpose.

There was once a tranbsport compnay that wanted to improve tranport efficiency by reducin gthe number of drivers from 3 to 1 fro long joruney trips after roads were improved. In the past 2 drivers and a yung man/boy was required to manage the trips, the young one supposedly for washing and cleaning the truck. When the company changed the policy to 1 driver and provided food/accommodation/truck wash along the route, many did not drop the young boy.

Then the foreign management found out the young bnoy job is not just to wash the truck. it was to serve the need of the men as well. So before you all talk about others, why don't you find out what is really happening right now in the Islamic world.

dino_yps@yahoo.com said...

Tulang, what is modernity ?

Tulang Besi said...

Anonymous dino_yps@yahoo.com said...

Tulang, what is modernity ?
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Modernity is when Saidina Muawiyyah was able to train camel riding Arabs into sailors and marines and stop the Eastern Roman Empire navy from resupplying their garrisons in Alexandria.

That's modernity.

malgal128 said...

I say it is human right and not paganism. It is our right as a human to choose our path whether right or wrong. You can advice but not force coz when a person obeys because he is forced to, it is not sincere and I am pretty sure God knows that. Does god want hypocrisy? Why not let the sinner be judged by God after life instead of us, another human punishing them or acting as God?

Anonymous said...

TB forgot to mention 2 very critical things which Propehet Muhammad wanted to abolish..tribalism,and attachment to excessive materialsm..people always forget that fundementally,all spirtual greats came to spiritualise,and to transform people,nations...this is a fact..great spirtual personalites dont "opearte" in a normal human manner..they cant because they too came to earth on a misson..alcoholism,drugs,sex,are a taboo in every religion,but even more so for those who r very serius in accepting spiritualty as the ideal way of life..what often happens is,the true spirit of a religion starts to fade,and gets distorted..it has happend to every religion,including islam..2day,we see sects,tribalism,moralism of Islam..That Soul Power Of islam,is not dead yet,like what has happend to Buddhism, Christianty and "hinduism" because,the origin of Islam is from the total supreme..but at the moment it is just hanging by the thread..because it has been misunderstood by the many(muslims and non muslim)..islam deserves and must be shown in a new light..

Anonymous said...

What a joke with such irrational nonsense and lies! Go to London, Holland and Thailand for example, amidst many more, it`s full of the supposedly pious Arabs in casinos and drinking freely, and sleeping with prostitutes of all races and religion! Besides, you should have a look at Hyde Park; full of Arab women taking off their veil in front of everyone, and mixing freely and wearing sexy clothes! Such hypocrisy makes me sick; I support it that they want to be liberated and live a western or modern lifestyle, but it`s the hypocrisy and lies that I find unacceptable!! And yet they dare to impose their primitive culture on non-Arab Muslims who are of diverse culture and ethnicity! Further, is it not paganism that allows brutal and primitive men, to flogged or murder women and girls for not wearing the veil or drinking or even wearing trousers like in Ms. Lubna Hussein Sudanese case?! Yeah, this has nothing to do with modernity nor a loving and jusdt God, but has everything to do with primitive and pagan fascist, racist, homophobic and sexist Dark Age male elitist Arabic-centric kind of Islamism and culture! Such as burning down schools for girls as in Taleban-land and Pakistan? Or stoning women and girls still for adultery, or cutting off their hand just for thievery whilst male rapists (such as in Malaysia, strangely, mostly Malay Muslim men who committed rape!)are free after being imprisoned for a while, and not even flogged? Or bombing innocent people like in Sept 11, Bali, Madrid, UK and elsewhere? Just because most of these victims are non-Arabics and non-Muslims, including being pagans or Christians or whatever!

Katharina Sri (former: Noor Aza)
Germany

Anonymous said...

Judge a religion by its scriptures, and not by what its people do. Apabila Tuhan melarang hambaNya membuat sesuatu, hikmahnya akan terserlah sooner or later.

Rozana said...

Sri, that why there are several degrees of muslim such as mutaqqim, mukmin, munafik, fasik and kufur nikmat (likes most arabs).

Anonymous said...

malgal, i totally agree. except in this case they are choosing to be pagans

Anonymous said...

Modernism is barbarism..it has caused man to be away frm nature,it has created an economic system that is based on greed and avarice, it has caused upheavels all over the world,it has caused mayhem,destruction all over the world in the form of never ending wars..and the best is,modernism has reintroduced primitive worship..babes,boops,$$$$$ and bling bling rox!!..and the whole world has become afflicted!!

Anonymous said...

Sri Kathrina probably doesnt relalise,Germany(and Europe) unleased all the Titanic powers/forces..Frederich Nietzsche superman is all about the Asura/Titan..and no need to talk about the 3rd reich,Hitler and his monsters..Anotole France's "revolt of the angels" gives a perfect descrpition of devil's modernism..and what do u all think of modern psychology/psyco analysis?psychology only explores the dark side of the human being,and it has no clue at all about anything spiritual..and eurpeans are still confused,and lost when it comes to spirituality..they are still fascinated with astral projections,kundalini,occultism,thought readings..same ol shit..Not a single spiriual giant came from the west..and they dont a have saints/seers who are trully gnostic..and we dungu asians under the impact of european falsehood,have become dwarfs,and love to imitate their way of doing things..we regard their primitive ways as something really hip,and modern..yay!!;-)

Anonymous said...

Is there a difference between a simple, nature loving "pagan" orang asal and the shit head wearing kot & tali leher @ KLCC?Ask the shit head @KLCC where god is ,he will either say UP THERE or no God at all(which is ok,u know),and the orang asal will aslo point to the skies..in fact,ask any tom,dick,and harry about god,all will reply "oo...my god/gods is in the heavens/up there,atas langit.."..any radical improvement aah?Tribes mark their territorities,and we modernist also do that!In fact we r worse!!We have tribalised everything..economy,politics,religion!!Perhaps,due to excessive tribalism,not surprisingly our vitality has gone downwards and we have become vulnerable to all sorts of penyakits,and afflictions!

Anonymous said...

In fact,we must tabik respect the pagan orang asals !!tenggok..their men,and womean are naked,but everthing is in control..and we..hehe..the momement we something quite flashy..air liur start to keluarlah..jantung start to beat faster,n we start to think ways and means to hook up..the late great actor Marlon Brando it seems made Tahiti his spiritual home becos the Tahitians are classles society,and all the time happy,smiling..fantactic display/demonstration of ALLAH's ATTRIBUTES!!If I m not mistaken there are tribes in the kalahari dessert ,who share everything(so communistic!!),and is also classles....and the abroginal people of Australia..so advanced!!man,thier weapon,the boomerang is poetry in motion!And decades ago,couple of Mathematicians frm the 'advance' west did some some serius study on Australin abriginal people..wanna know on what?They were simply puzzled and mesmerised as to how,Australia's abroginal peopele can create complex figures using only a simple string..ya ..we use all sorts of complex maths models,and these simple,pagan,orang asal,do it instinctively/intuitively!So,who is more advance?And recently Australian saintis have found out that semut api is a perfect species,and has plenty of medicinal value..guess who gave the clue?The Australian abrogianl people la!!So who is the pagan,who is the modern?

Anonymous said...

Please go and ask our very own orang asal pasai Noah's Ark..they will tell u in greater detail!!

Anonymous said...

Couple of brahmin discples of the great Swami Vivekananda wanted to know frm him about the period when India/Bharat was at it's peak..and Vivekanada reply was pricelss!!.."The vedic period was India's greatest period becos 5 brhamin rishis makan/ sapu bersih 1 whole cow"..kahkahkah..that's ight..2day if we ask an indian..sir,apasai limbu "suci"..they will reply "oh itu lembu kasi susu,dari susu ghee boleh bikin,taik lembu kasi kering,'fuel cell" boleh buat(which is true),and bila limbu mati,e2 kulit kita bikin kasut,chappal.."..but the holiness of the lembu is radically different!!there is a very famous verse in the vedas about the legend of the lost cows/herds/cattles and the angira rishis..e2 lembu is the symbol for light ie supreme truth consciousness..and the horse is the power of light ie power for truth consciousness..and kalau tak silap sy, one of the sankrit words for light is "GO"..there is a very famous vedic seer called Gotama Rahugana..and in "modern" times..the vishnu avatar/sankhya muni is knwon as Gautama Buddha..gotama/gautama..ok now..?

Hehe..;-)...there is one more "religion" which reveals the mysterious cattles,herds of light..wat's the sura/ayat nombor for the "cattle verse" in the holy quran?

Anonymous said...

[Yusufali 2:137] So if they believe as ye believe, they are indeed on the right path; but if they turn back, it is they who are in schism; but Allah will suffice thee as against them, and He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.


"In ancient times the Veda was revered as a sacred book of wisdom, a great mass of inspired poetry, the work of Rishis, seers and sages, who received in their illumined minds rather than mentally constructed a great universal, eternal and impersonal Truth which they embodied in Mantras, revealed verses of power, not of an ordinary but of a divine inspiration and source. The name given to these sages was Kavi, which afterwards came to mean any poet, but at the time had the sense of a seer of truth, -- the Veda itself describes them as kavayah satyasrutah, "seers who are hearers of the Truth" and the Veda itself was called, sruti, a word which came to mean "revealed Scripture". The seers of the Upanishad had the same idea about the Veda and frequently appealed to its authority for the truths they themselves announced and these too afterwards came to be regarded as Sruti, revealed Scripture, and were included in the sacred Canon."
(Sri Aurobindo and Hymns To The Mystic Fire)

Anonymous said...

"These translations however are not intended to be a scholastic work meant to justify a hypothesis; the object of this publication is only to present them in a permanent form for disciples and those who are inclined to see more in the Vedas than a superficial liturgy and would be interested in knowing what might be the esoteric sense of this ancient Scripture.

This is a literary and not a strictly literal translation. But a fidelity to the meaning, the sense of the words and the structure of the thought, has been preserved: in fact the method has been to start with a bare and scrupulously exact rendering of the actual language and adhere to that as the basis of the interpretation; for it is only so that we can find out the actual thoughts of these ancient mystics. But any rendering of such great poetry as the hymns of the Rig-veda, magnificent in their colouring and images, noble and beautiful in rhythm, perfect in their diction, must, if it is not to be a merely dead scholastic work, bring at least a faint echo of their poetic force, -- more cannot be done in a prose translation and in so different a language. The turn of phrase and the syntax of English and Vedic Sanskrit are poles asunder; to achieve some sense of style and natural writing one has constantly to turn the concentrated speech of the Veda into a looser, more diluted English form. Another stumbling- block for the translator is the ubiquitous double entendre marking in one word the symbol and the thing symbolised, Ray and Cow, clear light of the mind and clarified butter, horses and spiritual power; one has to invent phrases like the "herds of the light" or "the shining herds" or to use devices such as writing the word horse with a capital H to indicate that it is a symbolic horse that is meant and not the common physical animal; but very often the symbol has to be dropped, or else the symbol has to be kept and the inner meaning left to be understood ; [[The Rishis sometimes seem to combine two different meanings in the same word; I have occasionally tried to render this double sense.]] I have not always used the same phrase though always keeping the same sense, but varied the translation according to the needs of the passage. Often I have been unable to find an adequate English word which will convey the full connotation or colour of the original text; I have used two words instead of one or a phrase or resorted to some other device to give the exact and complete meaning. Besides, there is often a use of antique words or turns of language of which the sense is not really known and can only be conjectured or else different renderings are equally possible. In many passages I have had to leave a provisional rendering; it was intended to keep the final decision on the point until the time when a more considerable body of the hymns had been translated and were ready for publication; but this time has not yet come."

(sri aurobindo and hymns to the mystic fire)

Anonymous said...

"...There can be no doubt that in the beginning there was a worship of the Powers of the physical world, the Sun, Moon, Heaven and Earth, Wind, Rain and Storm etc., the Sacred Rivers and a number of Gods who presided over the workings of Nature. That was the general aspect of the ancient worship in Greece, Rome, India and among other ancient peoples. But in all these countries these gods began to assume a higher, a psychological function; Pallas Athene who may have been originally a Dawn-Goddess springing in flames from the head of Zeus, the Sky-God, Dyaus of the Veda, has in classical Greece a higher function and was identified by the Romans with their Minerva, the Goddess of learning and wisdom; similarly, Saraswati, a River Goddess, becomes in India the goddess of wisdom, learning and the arts and crafts: all the Greek deities have undergone a change in this direction -- Apollo, the Sun-God, has become a god of poetry and prophecy, Hephaestus the Fire-God a divine smith, god of labour. In India the process was arrested half-way, and the Vedic Gods developed their psychological functions but retained more fixedly their external character and for higher purposes gave place to a new pantheon. They had to give precedence to Puranic deities who developed out of the early company but assumed larger cosmic functions, Vishnu, Rudra, Brahma, -- developing from the Vedic Brihaspati, or Brahmanaspati, -- Shiva, Lakshmi, Durga. Thus in India the change in the gods was less complete, the earlier deities became the inferior divinities of the Puranic pantheon and this was largely due to the survival of the Rig-veda in which their psychological and their external functions co-existed and are both given a powerful emphasis; there was no such early literary record to maintain the original features of the Gods of Greece and Rome..."
(Frm the Hymns To mystic fire)

Anonymous said...

"..This change was evidently due to a cultural development in these early peoples who became progressively more mentalised and less engrossed in the physical life as they advanced in civilisation and needed to read into their religion and their deities finer and subtler aspects which would support their more highly mentalised concepts and interests and find for them a true spiritual being or some celestial figure as their support and sanction. But the largest part in determining and deepening this inward turn must be attributed to the Mystics who had an enormous influence on these early civilisations; there was indeed almost everywhere an age of the Mysteries in which men of a deeper knowledge and self-knowledge established their practices, significant rites, symbols, secret lore within or on the border of the more primitive exterior religions. This took different forms in different countries; in Greece there were the Orphic and Eleusinian Mysteries, in Egypt and Chaldea the priests and their occult lore and magic, in Persia the Magi, in India the Rishis. The preoccupation of the Mystics was with self-knowledge and a profounder world-knowledge; they found out that in man there was a deeper self and inner being behind the surface of the outward physical man, which it was his highest business to discover and know. "Know thyself" was their great precept, just as in India to know the Self, the Atman became the great spiritual need, the highest thing for the human being. They found also a Truth, a Reality behind the outward aspects of the universe and to discover, follow, realise this Truth was their great aspiration. They discovered secrets and powers of Nature which were not those of the physical world but which could bring occult mastery over the physical world and physical things and to systematise this occult knowledge and power was also one of their strong preoccupations. But all this could only be safely done by a difficult and careful training, discipline, purification of the nature; it could not be done by the ordinary man. If men entered into these things without a severe test and training it would be dangerous to themselves and others; this knowledge, these powers could be misused, misinterpreted, turned from truth to falsehood, from good to evil. A strict secrecy was therefore maintained, the knowledge handed down behind a veil from master to disciple. A veil of symbols was created behind which these mysteries could shelter, formulas of speech also which could be understood by the initiated but were either not known by others or were taken by them in an outward sense which carefully covered their true meaning and secret. This was the substance of Mysticism everywhere..."
(Sri Aurobindo and Hyms to the mystic fire)

Guile said...

Please do not post unrelated comment and verses.

This is considered as spam.

Don't use anonymous name.

Your dear mom and dad give you beautiful name and you feel ashamed to use it. Be a man unless you are ...

dino_yp@yahoo.com said...

En./Pn. Tulang, your definition of modernity seems very obscure and very trivial. That is why you are losing the mainstream. I hope any other muslim will not be influenced by your definition.

malgal128 said...

If there is too much restriction, there will be more rapes like in the case of Malaysia. Who rapes the most? Who has the most gays and transvesitites? Just check the statistics.

In countries like Afghanistan, men rape younger boys. Why? Too much restriction is unnatural.

Anonymous said...

//Please do not post unrelated comment and verses.

This is considered as spam.

Don't use anonymous name.

Your dear mom and dad give you beautiful name and you feel ashamed to use it. Be a man unless you are ...//

kahkahkah..what a dummy..yohoo...in the "choose an identity",there is seksen called anonymous..so ,my guess is,the tech wallahs in charge of blogspot @ google r dumbos like u lah..and speaking of name..why must there be a name?after all,arupa aka formless/sexless/nameless are atrributes of the indeterminable absolute...

Anonymous said...

hahaha..UMNO and it's lackeys r under the influence of the fallen angels of Anatole France,which has been powering the europeans and also asians/others who have "invited" IT....but,now,semua dah reversed..IT is under severe attack..kahkahkahkahkah

Anonymous said...

The revelations in the Quran are "non human"..it's all about THE SUPREME DIVINE'S VISION/SIGHT/INTELLIGENCE,SUPREME DIVINE'S WORKINGS,AND THE SUPREME DIVINE'S ATTRIBUTES..now,let's diskusi siki on keadilan and unity from the DIVINE's perspective..the 1st thing that needs to be establised is there is no separation at all..there is no such thing as perpecahan,..EVERYTHING IS seen as ONE..the mountain,the trees,th insects,the binatang,the wind,the ocean,rivers..everthing is seen as the One and part of the One,and the One as manifold..all the time it's United,and indivisble..that is THE SUPREME VISON..as a contoh see this verses..

[Yusufali 75:9] And the sun and moon are joined together,-

[Yusufali 76:13] Reclining in the (Garden) on raised thrones, they will see there neither the sun's (excessive heat) nor (the moon's) excessive cold.

note the ayats "reclining in the Garden"..and "they will see"..the Throne/garden represent the SUPREME..and "they will see there'..clearly means from the Supreme point of view.. or Supreme's vision/concentration..all is already United maah..all is equally equalled in the Supreme maah..and this is the Supreme demokrasi maah..no need to shout about human rights,animal rights..al rights are equal,have been equalled,and are born equalled for eternity maah..but we aah..we syok sangat with european bullshitism..we syok to show,"hey,we oso can be as hip as mat sarreh maah...we syok to be european slaves maah.."

And anything that divides,breaks,and trangresses this Supreme law..haha..gerenti,there will be counter attacks by THE SUPME HIMSELF..after all,ALL IS IN HIS KINGDOM,ALL IS UNDER HIS COMMAND..
( Nazak Razak kelentong's to con the public with his 1 malaysia concept,UG Gomen with musang dlm selimuts, and do evil at the same time is failling all the time..he thinks,everone,including the Supreme Himself can be fooled..what a dumbo!..Hahahaha...)

Guile said...

Anonymous September 10, 2009 11:58 AM, kesian mak bapa kamu
Anonymous September 10, 2009 12:07 PM, kesian mak bapa kamu
Anonymous September 10, 2009 12:43 PM, kesian mak bapa kamu

Lelaki sejati berani cakap, berani tanggung.

Awak ini macam pondan.

Sakit hati bukan? Pi lah mampos pengecut!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous September 10, 2009 11:58 AM, kesian mak bapa kamu
Anonymous September 10, 2009 12:07 PM, kesian mak bapa kamu
Anonymous September 10, 2009 12:43 //PM, kesian mak bapa kamu

Lelaki sejati berani cakap, berani tanggung.

Awak ini macam pondan.

Sakit hati bukan? Pi lah mampos pengecut!//

Piraaah..butoh!!hahahaha..

Anonymous said...

[Yusufali 56:37] Beloved (by nature), equal in age,-

Ther u r..a fine example of transcendent equality..

Anonymous said...

Yo Ghoul Guile..u mau kena instant strike ke?hehe

Anonymous said...

It's a known fact to a certian number of sages in India & elswhere) that is Islam is THE DIVINE WARRIOR..and we saw a fine example in 1998....when there is injustice and falsehood,THE DIVINE becomes fully in charge,and strikes @ ejens of falsehood..yes sir.. we see the inexhaustable warrior rising to the occasion..those'invincible sons of the infinite"(Rik Vedas) becoming instrument of the divine ,and strking hard at those who are hell bent in helling nations,people,etc..

Guile said...

Jangan gaduh dulu,

biar saya sampaikan berita baik kepada Tulang Besi

Public stoning for adulterers in Aceh :

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/world/37341-public-stoning-for-adulterers-in-aceh

Guile said...

x3 Power + free Excel = Sonic Boom Typhoon to:

Anonymous September 10, 2009 11:58 AM
Anonymous September 10, 2009 12:07 PM
Anonymous September 10, 2009 12:43 PM
Anonymous September 10, 2009 1:56 PM
Anonymous September 10, 2009 1:59 PM
Anonymous September 10, 2009 2:14 PM

mampus...la weiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Guile said...

Kesian mereka:

Anonymous September 10, 2009 11:58 AM
Anonymous September 10, 2009 12:07 PM
Anonymous September 10, 2009 12:43 PM
Anonymous September 10, 2009 1:56 PM
Anonymous September 10, 2009 1:59 PM
Anonymous September 10, 2009 2:14 PM

telan pil sabun, cakap berbuih-buih, shiok sendiri.

Mutu macam sampah.

Anonymous said...

Strike 1..
"My informer states that Acting Colonel Aziz Buyong was the person who placed the C4 on various parts of Altantuya’s body while being witnessed by Datin Seri Rosmah Mansor and Norhayati."
http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/9050/84/

Anonymous said...

//Anonymous Guile said...

a. gambling = last hope when money needed
b. alcoholism = nice drink
c. fornication (free sex) = pleasure
d. adultery (free sex) = pleasure
e. nakedness = nature is best
h. murder = yes this is wrong
i. infanticide = reason: to poor to raise a child
j. homosexuality = born like this, nothing wrong//

Lower forces when envelopes supreme absolute realities becomes distorted..

Anonymous said...

Btw,the revolt in KK this year is another Sign of spontaneous reaction..and anything that represt wu wei..is the proof of the existence of a higher power overuling our limited,egoistic,mentalised human..

Anonymous said...

haha..kesian pelacur pelacur cum beggers of UMNO like Guile..malas and lethargic,nak hidup hip hop at any cost..so pi pejabat UMNO n begin thier ritual by licking d kaki's,bontot's,tangan's of UMNO.."bos,need money bos..raya comin..need to buy latest gizmos,and stuff..latest houte coute frm paris..boss..i want to be ur slave boss,janji u kasi sy $$$ money bos..rompak,bunuh,propoganda..u name it,i will do it boss..tak sanggup nak jadi pekerja kelang,opis boy,minah/mat karan..tak sanggup jadi security guard,petani,jalan kaki merata tempat juai barangan Pep Reb Of China..boss..u knowlah,ekonomi gawat..we want easy $$ without effort..janji hidup hip hop,and poonani to f*k..so bos..u name it i will do it.."

Anonymous said...

What was the atmosphere in Arabia at the time of Prophet Muhammad?..Lebih kurang macam present day Malaysia right?..and the idols which Prophet Muhamamd demolished represents all the lower forces....and malaysia has been envolped by these forces for some time now(as result,everthing has been falsified,including religion!!)..but,this thick fog of darkness is being fought by really courageous people..salute them!!

Anonymous said...

;-)..Presenting the lagu thema of UMNO..
Ahoy sinyorita melayu..come n jilat n raba raba n bendo..CULO(NG)!
Wohhoi Tan,Esther,Linda,raba raba the tiang n bendo..CULO(NG)!
hey all AP import,real estate,pak aji,come n bendo..CULO(NG)!
Woi hamzahs,binatnags,cheeky chiks,come favour me n bendo..CULO(NG)!!

;-);-)

Guile said...

Ok ok ok

Sudah bertaubat, esok join PAS

Guile said...

Berapa agaknya upah sehari tampal poster kat Bagan Pinang

Anonymous said...

Hehe..there r pak aj's in PAS(better known as fraksi UMNO's) wanna bendo to UMNO..bukan kerana islam,tapi tertarik dgn dui,pangkat,jawatan yg dioffer oleh Lord Tanduk MooRazak..as a result,we got a stalemate in Terengganu!!

Anonymous said...

Ulamaks who suka berfatwa,who r ever ready to haramkan this and that, thinks they r the right and left hands of GOD,who think their words are honey frm the heavens..SPIRITUAL TRUTH/REALITIES r far wider,greater then the simplistic,watered downed,katak dibawah tempurung versions of ketuanan islam melayu.. and people r beginning to realise that these jokers who like to ban this and that,haramkan this and that,r doing it for their own political agendas!!

Anonymous said...

I am doing research for my university thesis, thanks for your helpful points, now I am acting on a sudden impulse.

- Kris

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